FSD v13 November Roadmap (Grok Summary)

[heems]

Unsupervised FSD coming to FSD v13 (says Tesla VP of AI Software)!!

No. “Feature complete” is a term that software engineers use to express covering all the scenarios/ logic they deem necessary at the outset. That doesn’t mean reality will agree or that such features aren’t buggy as heck. In layman’s terms he is saying the 13.X versions should cover the majority of what’s needed for uFSD. But we won’t know if it will cover 100% at this time.

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[Darthamerica]

No. “Feature complete” is a term that software engineers use to express covering all the scenarios/ logic they deem necessary at the outset. That doesn’t mean reality will agree or that such features aren’t buggy as heck. In layman’s terms he is saying the 13.X versions should cover the majority of what’s needed for uFSD. But we won’t know if it will cover 100% at this time.

Exactly. People are setting themselves up to be disappointed. Feature complete, minimally viable product, and customer candidate have specific meaning in the SWE world. Tesla should be a bit more careful about their wording or people are going to expect unsupervised FSD with v13.

 

[TexasRaider]

If only these were accurate.
Like you knowing the back of your hand.
(These translations are a bit too rosy. History tells me/us they will be “modest” improvements, in my opinion.)

 

[jimbobb23]

Wait....all this suggests a fork between AI3 and AI4. I hope they keep working on AI3. But also....as a Cybertruck fan excited to finally use AI4 hardware and let it spread its wings. Now I just wonder if I will regret not waiting to get AI5....

 

[jimbobb23]

Exactly. People are setting themselves up to be disappointed. Feature complete, minimally viable product, and customer candidate have specific meaning in the SWE world. Tesla should be a bit more careful about their wording or people are going to expect unsupervised FSD with v13.

V13 was the software in the Cybercabs driving people around unsupervised. V13 is clearly intended to eventually achieve unsupervised driving. But I understand the lingo can be confusing and feature complete doesnt mean its already ready to do that.

 

[Jackfiji]

Here's a breakdown of the Tesla FSD V13 upgrades in simple terms:

1. **36 Hz, full-resolution AI4 video inputs** -
—Imagine your car's eyes (cameras) can now see much faster and clearer than before. Instead of taking a picture every few seconds, they're now taking 36 pictures every second. This helps the car understand what's happening around it more quickly and accurately.

2. **Native AI4 inputs and neural network architectures** -
—The car's brain (AI system) now speaks the same language as its new eyes (AI4 cameras). This means the brain can understand what it sees more naturally without needing translations, making the car's reactions smoother and more precise.

3. **3x model size scaling** -
—Think of the car's brain as a library. This upgrade means we've added three times more books to this library. More books (data) mean the car can learn and remember more about how to drive safely and efficiently.

4. **3x model context length scaling** -
—Now, not only does the car have more books, but each book is three times longer. This means when the car looks at something, it can remember what it saw much longer ago, helping it make better decisions based on more history.

5. **4.2x data scaling** -
—The car has been given a lot more homework! It has four times more examples to learn from, making it smarter at handling different driving situations.

6. **5x training compute scaling (enabled by the Cortex training cluster)** -
—Imagine the car's brain now has a supercomputer to teach it. This computer works five times faster than before, so the car learns its lessons much quicker.

7. **Much improved reward predictions for collision avoidance, following traffic controls, navigation, etc.** -
—The car now gets better at guessing what will make a good or bad outcome. It's like playing a game where you learn how to score points (good driving) and avoid penalties (accidents or traffic violations).

8. **Efficient representation of maps and navigation inputs** -
—The car now understands maps like you understand your neighborhood. It can find its way and know what's coming up ahead much more efficiently.

9. **Audio inputs for better handling of emergency vehicles** -
—Now, the car can hear sirens too. If there's an ambulance or fire truck coming, it knows to make way for them, just like you would.

10. **Redesigned controller for smoother, more accurate tracking** -
—The car's steering, braking, and accelerating are now like having a very smooth, highly skilled driver. It can follow the road's path more accurately and comfortably.

11. **Integrated unpark, reverse, and park capabilities** -
—The car can now do a three-point turn, back into a parking spot, or even park itself without your help, making parking much easier for you.

12. **Support for destination options including pulling over, parking in a spot, driveway, or garage** -
—When you tell your car where to go, it can now decide how to get there in the best way possible, whether that means pulling over, finding a parking spot, or driving into your garage.

13. **Improved camera cleaning and handling of camera occlusions** -
—If something like rain, mud, or a leaf covers the car's cameras, it now knows better how to clean them or work around the problem, keeping its vision clear.

These upgrades collectively make the car's AI system more capable, more aware, and more responsive to the driving environment, aiming to enhance safety and convenience for users.

Loved this one

 

[txtravwill]

V13 was the software in the Cybercabs driving people around unsupervised. V13 is clearly intended to eventually achieve unsupervised driving. But I understand the lingo can be confusing and feature complete doesnt mean its already ready to do that.

...in a carefully crafted studio set. Far away from the reality of many more scenarios we all encounter at much higher speeds and volumes.

 

[HaulingAss]

I have nothing but great experiences since the 12.5 version. 12.3 was a nightmare. What I will say is that it has had several instances in phantom braking, which is fucking horrible. Tree shadows on a bright day maybe? It just sucks being on FSD at 70 mph and the brakes are fully applied. Scares the shit out of me every time. One thing I wish Tesla would do is make a better route planner, as well. Always trying to take the shortest route is not the best route. Several times on the way to the Memphis Service Center it is always trying to take backroads instead of the highway. I fucking hate that.

I haven't been getting any strong phantom braking with FSD on my Cybertruck (or on my Model 3 Performance for at least a year or two).

 

[jimbobb23]

...in a carefully crafted studio set. Far away from the reality of many more scenarios we all encounter at much higher speeds and volumes.

Yes, thats relevant to the question of when it will be largely unsupervised. I dont think that impacts the goal that v13 is the version meant to be unsupervised (at some future unknown date in the next 1-5 years).

On my model Y i briefly had the version that was optimized for AI4 and had not yet been optimized for AI3. It was amazing. I expect a big jump when we let AI4 start doing its thing. We may need AI5 to really get there but the hardware changes matter - just like they have for every other AI model.

 

[CyberGus]

Is this FSD confused, or really really clever?

 

[mhaze]

If the robot can survive Texas traffic and California traffic, it can handle anything

It is acceptable to have intermediate versions of the software between supervised and unsupervised. For example, supervised --> Optimus supervised --> unsupervised.

 

[65SoYoLO]

ok, its November. No V13.

 

[SCTesla]

ok, its November. No V13.

1. There's 26 days left.
2. Typically, outside of the CT early access, they consider "delivered" when the early group of testers receive builds, not the masses.

 

[65SoYoLO]

1. There's 26 days left.
2. Typically, outside of the CT early access, they consider "delivered" when the early group of testers receive builds, not the masses.

Doh, 26 days is going to feel like 26 years.

 

[SCTesla]

Doh, 26 days is going to feel like 26 years.

V13 will most likely go to the MY/3 first as they stated previously. I wouldn't bet on V13 until the Holiday update during Christmas for the CT. Any earlier, will just be a nice surprise.

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