FSD v13 and Hardware 4 Partition Limit

[CyberGus]

This is why we “practice” law.

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[CyberGus]

The law does not allow for welching or the kinds of goofy technicalities that people think exist because of TV dramas.

 

[REM]

no caveats! That means unsupervised full-self driving capability

No. Absolutely not.

There are far too many people out there who don't understand living software, and what FSD actually it. FSD is not a finished, serialized product that can be sold on a store shelf.

Full Self-Drive is access to branch software releases AS THEY APPLY TO YOUR SPECIFIC VEHICLE. Meaning you cannot expect to get Juniper Model Y FSD performance for your (hypothetical) 2018 Model S.

I really wish people would READ the t.o.s. and disclaimers that Tesla clearly publishes.

 

[dalton108]

No. Absolutely not.

There are far too many people out there who don't understand living software, and what FSD actually it. FSD is not a finished, serialized product that can be sold on a store shelf.

Full Self-Drive is access to branch software releases AS THEY APPLY TO YOUR SPECIFIC VEHCILE. Meaning you cannot expect to get Juniper Model Y FSD performance for your 2018 Model S.

I really wish people would READ the t.o.s. and disclaimers that Tesla clearly publishes.

Buddy you can say whatever you want to say and think whatever you want to think. The terms of service are not going to control this. You’re not a lawyer, stop acting like one.

Again, 100% Tesla will be upgrading my hardware, if they can’t deliver on their promise. They can do it voluntarily or subject to a court order it really doesn’t matter to me.

There are no “ifs”, “ands”, or “buts” about it.

 

[REM]

Buddy you can say whatever you want to say and think whatever you want to think. The terms of service are not going to control this. You’re not a lawyer, stop acting like one.

Again, 100% Tesla will be upgrading my hardware, if they can’t deliver on their promise. They can do it voluntarily or subject to a court order it really doesn’t matter to me.

There are no “ifs”, “ands”, or “buts” about it.

No, I will argue this point because I have a more factual based understanding of how living software subscriptions work. And the terms of service absolutely do bind you to the agreement you made with them when you purchased.

If you made a lump-sum purchase of FSD on your older model 3, then you will receive an upgraded computer (and other necessary hardware upgrades).

This, however, does not entitle you to ALL future upgrades in perpetuity to all future branches of FSD. Just to make that part clear.

 

[dalton108]

This, however, does not entitle you to ALL future upgrades in perpetuity to all future branches of FSD. Just to make that part clear.

Well, that Strawman should be drawn and quartered but I didn’t argue that.

 

[REM]

Well, that Strawman should be drawn and quartered but I didn’t argue that.

You did though, when you tried to apply your past purchase to a future software release that didn't exist at the time.

For argument's sake, do you have a copy of your purchase agreement so we can take a look at the nuance?

 

[dalton108]

You did though, when you tried to apply your past purchase to a future software release that didn't exist at the time.

For argument's sake, do you have a copy of your purchase agreement so we can take a look at the nuance?

I do, but I have to say again I’m not going to do this with you. you’re mix-matching terms and that’s not how any of this works.

I’m not going to spend hours trying to bring you up to speed on legal procedure, contract terms, legal cannons of interpretation or any of the other things that you would need to be able to successfully spot the issues and process this problem.

I’ve said what I’ve said, and only what I’ve said and it will play out exactly as I’ve stated. That’s all I have for you.

 

[REM]

I do, but I have to say again I’m not going to do this with you. you’re mix-matching terms and that’s not how any of this works.

I’m not going to spend hours trying to bring you up to speed on legal procedure, contract terms, legal cannons of interpretation or any of the other things that you would need to be able to successfully spot the issues and process this problem.

I’ve said what I’ve said, and only what I’ve said and it will play out exactly as I’ve stated. That’s all I have for you.

Between the two of us, only one is willingly to articulate the exact terms and meaning of the Full Self-Drive product.

long story short: you will receive hardware upgrades in your older model 3 (if you purchased the higher tier package rather than the subscription), but you are absolutely, unequivocally not guaranteed to be on unsupervised FSD with said upgrade.

If you would like to know why, I can point you to direct, meaningful, and legal language in your purchase agreement that explicitly states this.

 

[dalton108]

Between the two of us, only one is willingly to articulate the exact terms and meaning of the Full Self-Drive product.

long story short: you will receive hardware upgrades in your older model 3 (if you purchased the higher tier package rather than the subscription), but you are absolutely, unequivocally not guaranteed to be on unsupervised FSD with said upgrade.

If you would like to know why, I can point you to direct, meaningful, and legal language in your purchase agreement that explicitly states this.

You’ll be unable to teach me anything on the subject. I know my business VERY WELL. Thanks.

 

[REM]

You’ll be unable to teach me anything on the subject. I know my business VERY WELL. Thanks.

So you are unteachable? lol, ok bud.

Maybe later on you will revisit and see how rude and condescending this is.


As for anyone else who on the forum who may be interesting in the topic, let me know. Happy to discuss.

 

[JCERRN]

That's if they're able to keep the same form factor. The primary reason you can't get a HW4 retrofit in a HW3 vehicle is because of the form factor.

I am not a computer hardware engineer, but i just don't understand why the form factor has to change so much between generations. I would think that part of the fun of designing hardware like this is the classic getting a “square peg to fit in a round hole” problem?

 

[SCTesla]

You’ll be unable to teach me anything on the subject. I know my business VERY WELL. Thanks.

Arguing with ghosts, again? (I know the real answer)

 

[JCERRN]

Between the two of us, only one is willingly to articulate the exact terms and meaning of the Full Self-Drive product.

long story short: you will receive hardware upgrades in your older model 3 (if you purchased the higher tier package rather than the subscription), but you are absolutely, unequivocally not guaranteed to be on unsupervised FSD with said upgrade.

If you would like to know why, I can point you to direct, meaningful, and legal language in your purchase agreement that explicitly states this.

I wonder if tesla will continue to offer hardware upgrades at a fee for those who did not buy FSD as a package? If i recall, they did until basically the latest computer no longer fit in the car in question.

 

[dalton108]

Arguing with ghosts, again? (I know the real answer)

No friend, the “real answer” is that you’ve been blocked. Look at the number count you can’t see message #67 and apparently others because you’re not allowed to see the content from that member.

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