IDRA 9000T Giga Press Already Almost Fully Assembled in Giga Texas!

[cvalue13]

That's debatable. I think probably so at this point, but yea. I would bet Elon himself didn't know what the price WILL be even as soon as 60 days ago. Speculative, but even now they still do not KNOW for CERTAIN I'd say. But the C / E level probably knows the entirety of what CAN be known now.

Agree, that’s about all I meant - things like this within public companies timing the release of information are often subject to the opposing inertias of mission-critical expedience vs bet-the-company gun-jumping - with balancing decisions coming down to the wire (or even surprising those who think they are in the know).

So yeah, even in the absurd chance a delivery person has heard something directly, recently, from a person in the C-suite, it often has little bearing on whether that C-suite information is good, stale, or stable.

Not to suggest all decisions work this way of course, but that enough do to not know which is which from the outside.

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[greggertruck]

Yep. Lots of little details need to get ironed out for each of the bigger pieces. Like @HaulingAss suggested, folding and spring back will have to be fine-tuned when they start cranking trucks at volume.

I think they have a machine shop onsite now for making the gigapress forms but I’m not quite sure.

Hold my beer, I found the molds. MORE ARRIVED ON THE 16TH!

 

[Jow]

Non directional.

I’d be quite happy if I could call service to buff out a scratch for a couple hundred bucks.

might be cool if it's something as simple as a red or green scotchbrite

 

[Ogre]

might be cool if it's something as simple as a red or green scotchbrite

Yeah, it’s possible.

Considering how well the paint on my Subaru has held up after years of forest road driving and getting dragged across branches, I don’t think it’s going to be a big problem for me. Should be more scratch resistant than any paint by an order of magnitude.

Maybe just cake it with mud, then run it through one of those car washes with the big swishy brushes to give it a nice even sanding. The folks coming behind you in cars with nice paint jobs will appreciate it too.

 

[HaulingAss]

Franz said that the stainless steel has a finish that removes the directional grain like the delorean has. It's this done before or after bending and if it's done before would that remove issues with consistent bends.

I heard that interview too but Franz did not say they had a process that removed the directional grain. Cold-rolled steel, stainless or regular carbon steel, develops a grain structure embedded within the steel due to the cold-rolling process that exerts hundreds of tons of pressure and deforms the metal and draws it to a thinner thickness. There is no way to remove the grain structure without heating it to annealing temperatures (in which case it would lose all the hardening that was the purpose of cold-rolling it in the first place). So we know they don't do that.

This grain is what complicated the bending process because the bends will be at various directions to the grain unless you assume that every sheet is only bent in one direction. The grain also results in the metal being stronger in some directions than others. Metal is amazing and there are things going on inside the structure of the metal that are still not well understood, even today.

 

[HaulingAss]

Franz von Holzhausen addressed the finish question in his recent interview on Ride the Lightning podcast.

Franz did not say what the finish was or how it was done but he did specify there would be a purposely done finish.

He also said it would be possible for many owners to repair minor scratches.

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Episode 389: Special Guest Franz von Holzhausen Talks Cybertruck, Roadster, and More! Tesla Chief Designer Franz von Holzhausen joins me for his second interview on this show! Our almost hour-long discussion covers the Cybertruck, next-gen Roadster, the new Model S, and much more! Plus: after the interview I analyze Tesla’s huge across-the-board price cuts that happened this week as well.
Jan 15, 2023
Ride the Lightning
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8:39 (519s) Removing scratches from the Cybertruck's stainless steel finish




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The grain structure extends through the depth of the material and cannot be buffed out. It's integral to the metal itself, not a surface treatment. It's wht makes the stainless steel much stronger than that used to make a refrigerator. Cybertruck ain't gonna be your mamma's kitchen appliance nor will it be fragile like the paint on an F-150!

 

[Throwcomputer]

I agree. What interviewer constantly interupts his visitor? How many times do you have to hear "Yeah" interupting Hanz?

Rule number one of interviewing people. Listen. And let them finish their statements. Know when to talk and when to shut up!

Rule number 2. Don't adhere so rigidly to your talking points list. Listen and respond to their statements, digging into greater detail when they mention relevant topics or ones you weren't expecting but think are useful and relevant. gently guide them back on topic when they stray.

Don't pen them in by your agenda to the point you prevent them from talking or completing statements in their own voice.

But everyone thinks they are a podcaster/interviewer in 2023.

 

[SONNYDUT]

This is amazing speed for installation! The IDRA facility make the 9K Giga Press look big but the Texas Giga Factory sure show the 9k Giga Press looks small.

 

[CyberGus]

Rule number one of interviewing people. Listen. And let them finish their statements. Know when to talk and when to shut up!

Rule number 2. Don't adhere so rigidly to your talking points list. Listen and respond to their statements, digging into greater detail when they mention relevant topics or ones you weren't expecting but think are useful and relevant. gently guide them back on topic when they stray.

Don't pen them in by your agenda to the point you prevent them from talking or completing statements in their own voice.

But everyone thinks they are a podcaster/interviewer in 2023.

Lex Fridman FTW

 

[CyberGus]

Hold my beer, I found the molds. MORE ARRIVED ON THE 16TH!

Is it "molds" or "moulds"

 

[Ogre]

Is it "molds" or "moulds"

Yes

Both work. The British proubably prefer mould because they louve extru “U”s in wourds.

 

[Dids]

Yes

Both work. The British proubably prefer mould because they louve extru “U”s in wourds.

English people ain't good at their own language.

 

[CyberGus]

I heard that interview too but Franz did not say they had a process that removed the directional grain. Cold-rolled steel, stainless or regular carbon steel, develops a grain structure embedded within the steel due to the cold-rolling process...

Sure, any hardened metal will be in a lattice structure, but that doesn't mean that it can't have a surface grain at a different angle, or be polished smooth. The surface will be dictated by the rollers, with a polished roller producing a shinier finish.

I'm curious what the "process" is to restore that stock finish. On the prototype, there are clearly visible swirl marks from cleaning.

 

[HaulingAss]

Sure, any hardened metal will be in a lattice structure, but that doesn't mean that it can't have a surface grain at a different angle, or be polished smooth. The surface will be dictated by the rollers, with a polished roller producing a shinier finish.

I'm curious what the "process" is to restore that stock finish. On the prototype, there are clearly visible swirl marks from cleaning.

But Gus, I didn't say it can't be polished smooth or with any other finish. I said the grain structure is throughout the thickness and is what makes bending the metal at various angles to that grain inconsistent. The grain structure is not visible to the naked eye anyway, it is microscopic, unlike various superficial surface finishes that can be applied.

 

[FutureBoy]

English people ain't good at their own language.

At this point I'd say that the English people are no longer the arbiters of the language named after them. Basically the world has taken the language as its own. And each country/region/subculture has adapted it for their own use. For better or worse... Sometimes I think for worse.

But this is off topic. Please, no one reply to this (and by extension, let me have the last word on the subject.

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