Model Y line to pause in July and workers moved to Cybertruck production line

[Cf400ex]

Thank you IJNYamato for sharing what you can.

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[Setok]

Employees will get the first batch at the end of Q3 as I think we all know.

For the next round of deliveries after that? I'd rather you tell me what you've heard and I can tell you if that aligns with what I've heard haha.

There are some details which seem to underline no consideration for international markets at this point. Do you think that’s a fair conclusion?

 

[Crissa]

Dids explains..... this guy wants to get in his truck and not talk to people while everything stops.

Just smile and nod, Dids. Smile and nod and do your stuff.

He said the Cybertruck specifically would ramp up slowly though.

Maybe it’ll be slow start, then fast ramp once they nail down the basics.

No clue.

Even a super-fast ramp would put mass production in 2024, tho, so there's alot of error on those bars.

-Crissa

 

[IJNYamato]

There are some details which seem to underline no consideration for international markets at this point. Do you think that’s a fair conclusion?

In its current state I can't not agree with you. I hope it does make it to a many markets as possible

 

[Greshnab]

In its current state I can't not agree with you. I hope it does make it to a many markets as possible

IMHO an international verision IS possible but it would indeed require a complete rework.. the truck is simply to wide for roads outside of north america.. and not sure there is the same demand over seas for a LARGE truck.. and lets not kid ourself at 22' long and just short of 80' wide that is a large truck!

I can easily see them once the demand has been proven.. and offshore people want one.. designing one slightly smaller for sale both inside and outside the US..

 

[Crissa]

IMHO an international verision IS possible but it would indeed require a complete rework.. the truck is simply to wide for roads outside of north america.. and not sure there is the same demand over seas for a LARGE truck.. and lets not kid ourself at 22' long and just short of 80' wide that is a large truck!

I can easily see them once the demand has been proven.. and offshore people want one.. designing one slightly smaller for sale both inside and outside the US..

What countries don't allow full sized pickups?

I know in the EU and Japan, lots of old places exist, or places where only small cars are allowed.

But really, most of the rest of the world was built to fit modern cars and mimics American suburbia. They all have big tractor-trailers that are much larger than the Cybertruck.

-Crissa

 

[Greshnab]

What countries don't allow full sized pickups?

I know in the EU and Japan, lots of old places exist, or places where only small cars are allowed.

But really, most of the rest of the world was built to fit modern cars and mimics American suburbia. They all have big tractor-trailers that are much larger than the Cybertruck.

-Crissa

In Europe, laws and road widths vary by country; the minimum widths of lanes are generally between 2.5 to 3.25 m (8.2 to 10.7 ft)

n the United States, the Interstate Highway standards for the Interstate Highway System use a 12 ft (3.7 m)

Sooo european roads simply aren't really wide enough for an 80" wide vehicle.. on the countries with narrower lanes they just don't fit.

although a little research does say the maximum width is listed at 102 " so i may well sit corrected..

 

[Crissa]

although a little research does say the maximum width is listed at 102 " so i may well sit corrected..

...I was about to say. Our lanes are huge, but there's lots of countries that built their roads in the last half century.

-Crissa

 

[greggertruck]

It's a hard 0. I would have been involved if there was.

Respectfully disagree.

at 22' long

nope. no. it's not 22' long man. Never was.

 

[Greshnab]

Respectfully disagree.

nope. no. it's not 22' long man. Never was.

you are correct my brain slipped.. but still 19 feet long as i recall 228 inches.

 

[firsttruck]

In Europe, laws and road widths vary by country; the minimum widths of lanes are generally between 2.5 to 3.25 m (8.2 to 10.7 ft)

n the United States, the Interstate Highway standards for the Interstate Highway System use a 12 ft (3.7 m)

Sooo european roads simply aren't really wide enough for an 80" wide vehicle.. on the countries with narrower lanes they just don't fit.

although a little research does say the maximum width is listed at 102 " so i may well sit corrected..

Your comparing different things.

You start with minimum width of European roads but then compare them to probably some of the widest roads in U.S., the Federal Interstate Highways.

Most miles driven in U.S. are probably driven on city street, urban arterials, state highways not rural federal interstates.

Many passenger vans in Europe are as wide or wider than Ford F-150 and maybe wider than final production Cybertruck.

Most large highways in Germany & France have lane width almost as wide as U.S. Federal Interstate Highways. Some EU highways have lanes wider than U.S. Federal Interstate Highway 3.7m standard.

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There are Ford F-150 pickup trucks being driven in Europe.

Width of some of the most popular vans in Europe.
Ford Transit van Width (with mirrors) 2,272mm ( 89.4" ), mirrors folded: 2080 mm ( 81.9" )
Ford Tourneo Custom van Width (with mirrors) 2,272mm ( 89.4" ), mirrors folded: 2080 mm ( 81.9" )
https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/guxeu/uk/documents/feature-pdfs/FT-Transit_Van.pdf
Mercedes-Benz Sprinter Combi van Width (with mirrors) 2,345mm ( 92.3" )
Mercedes-Benz V-Class van Width (with mirrors) 2,249mm ( 88.5" )
Mercedes-Benz Vito Tourer van Width (with mirrors) 2,249mm ( 88.5" )
https://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/vans/en/vito-tourer/technical-data

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Lane width of German autobahn?
Lanes on rural sections are generally 3.75 meters wide except the left lane of newer three lane segments-- it's 3.5 meters wide. On urban sections, all lanes are 3.5 meters wide.
23 ene 2023
The Autobahn - Brian's Guide to Getting Around Germany
http://www.gettingaroundgermany.info › autobahn



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Autoroute (highway or motorway) system in France consists largely of toll roads (76% of the total). It is a network of 11,882 km (7,383 mi) of motorways as of 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoroutes_of_France
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Each lane is 3.5m wide.


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Ford F-Series trucks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-Series

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As of 2018, outside of the United States, Canada, and Mexico, the Ford F-150 is officially sold in most Caribbean countries (except Trinidad and Tobago, Saint Kitts and Nevis and Cuba), Suriname, Ecuador, Peru, Chile, the Middle East (including Afghanistan), Iceland, China, Cambodia, the Philippines, Angola, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Democratic Republic of Congo, Ethiopia, the French Overseas Collectivities of French Polynesia[55] and New Caledonia, Gabon, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Liberia, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Madagascar, the Dutch territories of Aruba, Curaçao, Saint Maarten and the British overseas territory of the Cayman Islands.

The SVT Raptor is sold in the United States, Canada, Mexico, the Middle East (including Afghanistan), China, Ecuador, Chile and Peru.

There is a strong grey market presence of Ford F-Series trucks around the world, most notably in Europe, China, South Korea.

In Australia they are popular with those wanting to tow heavier trailers and caravans.

In Bolivia, Ford F-series truck are imported from the United States. F-150 single, super cab and crew cab are available with short and long bed. F-series Heavy Duty like F-250, F-350 are available in Super Cab and Crew cab with long bed, but the F-450 is available only in a chassis version. The F-150 Raptor is available, too.

In the United Kingdom, most imported Ford F-Series trucks are the F-150 model in LHD, and usually the higher-end four door versions.

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Ford Transit Top Selling Van In Europe For 2022
By Brett Foote January 17, 2023
https://fordauthority.com/2023/01/ford-transit-top-selling-van-in-europe-for-2022/

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European sales 2017 (Large & Small) Passenger Van segment:
Large segment total: 250,617
https://carsalesbase.com/european-sales-2017-passenger-van-segment/

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2017 large passenger van sales Europe: Segment total 250,617

Car sales statistics are from the following countries: Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Great Britain, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland. Sources: Manufacturers, ANDC, JATO Dynamics.

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[firsttruck]

In Europe, laws and road widths vary by country; the minimum widths of lanes are generally between 2.5 to 3.25 m (8.2 to 10.7 ft)
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New York state, U.S. has minimum of 8ft (96") lane in each direction so some places in NY state might not be so much different than some places in Europe.

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How wide is a lane in New York?
The minimum width to be considered a two-lane road is 16 feet.

LOCAL HIGHWAY INVENTORY MANUAL - NYSDOT
Highway Data Services Bureau New York State Department of Transportation
2018
https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/en...Local_Highway_Inventory_Manual_April_2018.pdf

 

[Setok]

IMHO an international verision IS possible but it would indeed require a complete rework.. the truck is simply to wide for roads outside of north america.. and not sure there is the same demand over seas for a LARGE truck.. and lets not kid ourself at 22' long and just short of 80' wide that is a large truck!

I can easily see them once the demand has been proven.. and offshore people want one.. designing one slightly smaller for sale both inside and outside the US..

Demand is one thing, but width is not a problem. As others have pointed out, many vans are as wide or wider than the CT. The new Defender is the same width, the VW ID.Buzz is the same width (lovely vehicle btw, except for the price).

The length is a bit more problematic. It’s substantially longer than most cars here, including all the most common pickups. Now it’s not uncommon to see vans which are longer, but people don’t generally drive them into shopping centre car parks. Still, there’s no regulatory reason the CT can’t be that long, although many will not want a vehicle that is that awkward.

American ‘full size’ trucks are a rare sight here. In Finland they are only available as grey imports, and are expensive due to poor economy and resulting taxes. I view the CT as quite a different beast and would appeal to people who wouldn’t normally go for an American truck, and there are very few options here for an EV that can do some work. I won’t claim it would reach sales figures like the Model Y here, but I could envision some demand.

 

[Setok]

Demand is one thing, but width is not a problem. As others have pointed out, many vans are as wide or wider than the CT. The new Defender is the same width, the VW ID.Buzz is the same width (lovely vehicle btw, except for the price).

The length is a bit more problematic. It’s substantially longer than most cars here, including all the most common pickups. Now it’s not uncommon to see vans which are longer, but people don’t generally drive them into shopping centre car parks. Still, there’s no regulatory reason the CT can’t be that long, although many will not want a vehicle that is that awkward.

American ‘full size’ trucks are a rare sight here. In Finland they are only available as grey imports, and are expensive due to poor economy and resulting taxes. I view the CT as quite a different beast and would appeal to people who wouldn’t normally go for an American truck, and there are very few options here for an EV that can do some work. I won’t claim it would reach sales figures like the Model Y here, but I could envision some demand.

On the topic of the ID.Buzz: it can be acquired with a centre seat at the front. So width shouldn’t be a limiting factor for the CT and a central seat. The Buzz also has a screen (albeit smaller). So I’d imagine that should be solvable if Tesla wanted that.

 

[Raebrek]

Buses run all over Europe.

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