NJRE pointing out the obvious, yet so many people IRL are deliberately ignorant!!! https://youtu.be/tfihgsJOiD0

lancethibault

Well-known member
Joined
May 23, 2020
Messages
165
Reaction score
215
Location
Colorado Springs
Vehicles
13' F150, 17' Explorer, 13' Cruz, CT3 RN112841395
Occupation
USSF
Country flag
Most full-size ICE trucks have hoods so large & high that there is a much larger blind spot for the driver which increases risk to pedestrians especially children.
On ICE truck a lot of the large & high hood is unavoidable because of the engine being in front.

Ford with the F-150 Lightning retained the hood mostly for the sake of fashion (and store club clubs) to the continued sacrifice of safety & needless waste of energy.
I've seen this or similar statements a couple of times now. I don't think this is as much of a hazard or safety issue as some are making it out to be. I can easily see a 3ft object in front of my leveled F150 two feet in front of it. I can probably see the top of that same object within a 1 ft of the front of my truck. I'm curious how something or someone gets within 1-2 ft of the front of a truck without you seeing it there first. If it comes from straight in front of the truck and outside 2 ft, it can be seen. If it comes from the side of the truck but within 2 feet, it can also been seen. The only scenario I see being an issue is If something smaller then 3ft is directly in front of the truck (< 1ft from the front bumper) before the driver enters the vehicle and he/she doesn't see the object while getting in the vehicle and then starts the truck and immediately pulls forward quickly not allowing the sensors to warn him/her of a potential object in front of the truck. In this scenario...that's more the drivers fault then the truck's limitations. The risk is slightly higher on older trucks as the sensors may be not be there to provide the warning.





Advertisement

 

FutureBoy

Well-known member
First Name
Reginald
Joined
Oct 1, 2020
Messages
986
Reaction score
1,379
Location
Kirkland WA USA
Vehicles
Toyota Sienna
Occupation
Private Lending Educator
Country flag
Ford F-150 Lightning Exceeds 100,000 Reservations


There is plenty of customer interest in electric pickup trucks.
Ford has confirmed that the total number of reservations of the Ford F-150 Lightning electric pickup truck exceeded 100,000!
The milestone was achieved in about three weeks since the unveiling on May 19, 2021 (see the debut post and features here) and it's a huge success.
A reservation requires a $100 fully-refundable deposit.
That would explain why Ford is now considering also a smaller electric pickup, possibly based on the all-new Maverick model. Customers want electric pickups - surely not all, but it's such a big market segment that demand is probably overwhelming.
Let's take a step back to take see a broader picture of how the reservations progressed:
Initially, Ford unveiled the general version of the Ford F-150 Lightning (see EV specs and prices here), without all the details and pricing data. We guess that additional demand was sparked by the commercial version: Ford F-150 Lightning Pro, announced on May 24.
The commercial version starts at $39,974 (MSRP) with the Standard-Range Battery, while the Extended-Range Battery increases the price by $10,000 to $49,974. The retail version also starts at $39,974, but we don't know the price of the Extended-Range Battery version.
Judging from the initial sales results of the Ford Mustang Mach-E and the high number of reservations of the Ford F-150 Lightning, we guess that Ford's strategy to electrify its top models is correct. Probably the Ford E-Transit will also sell well. If so, then Ford probably will proceed forward, maybe with Bronco?
That's good news for the EV market and a much better situation than 5-10 years ago when all we saw was the compliance Ford Focus Electric and a few plug-in hybrids.
 

FutureBoy

Well-known member
First Name
Reginald
Joined
Oct 1, 2020
Messages
986
Reaction score
1,379
Location
Kirkland WA USA
Vehicles
Toyota Sienna
Occupation
Private Lending Educator
Country flag
Ford F-150 Lightning Exceeds 100,000 Reservations


There is plenty of customer interest in electric pickup trucks.
Ford has confirmed that the total number of reservations of the Ford F-150 Lightning electric pickup truck exceeded 100,000!
The milestone was achieved in about three weeks since the unveiling on May 19, 2021 (see the debut post and features here) and it's a huge success.
A reservation requires a $100 fully-refundable deposit.
That would explain why Ford is now considering also a smaller electric pickup, possibly based on the all-new Maverick model. Customers want electric pickups - surely not all, but it's such a big market segment that demand is probably overwhelming.
Let's take a step back to take see a broader picture of how the reservations progressed:
Initially, Ford unveiled the general version of the Ford F-150 Lightning (see EV specs and prices here), without all the details and pricing data. We guess that additional demand was sparked by the commercial version: Ford F-150 Lightning Pro, announced on May 24.
The commercial version starts at $39,974 (MSRP) with the Standard-Range Battery, while the Extended-Range Battery increases the price by $10,000 to $49,974. The retail version also starts at $39,974, but we don't know the price of the Extended-Range Battery version.
Judging from the initial sales results of the Ford Mustang Mach-E and the high number of reservations of the Ford F-150 Lightning, we guess that Ford's strategy to electrify its top models is correct. Probably the Ford E-Transit will also sell well. If so, then Ford probably will proceed forward, maybe with Bronco?
That's good news for the EV market and a much better situation than 5-10 years ago when all we saw was the compliance Ford Focus Electric and a few plug-in hybrids.
I really have to laugh at this article. Apparently having 100,000 pre-orders for a new vehicle is plenty. So the million+ orders for CT must just be toooo many.

Ford will be happy to have the Lightning orders coming in. But in a few years, I believe that CT will have overtaken Ford for the ownership of the pickup market. The market if Ford's to lose. And in time it looks like they are going to lose it.
 

Crissa

Well-known member
First Name
Crissa
Joined
Jul 8, 2020
Messages
4,368
Reaction score
5,079
Location
Santa Cruz
Vehicles
2014 Zero S, 2013 Mazda 3
Country flag
I've seen this or similar statements a couple of times now. I don't think...
That it can be driven safely is no argument against the overall numbers of unsafety. It's a basic anecdotal fallacy.

The height means that when there is a collision, the vehicle is more likely to push down and over-run an adult. A pedestrian knocked down (as opposed to up or aside) is more likely to die in a collision.

And that blind spot makes it much easier to miss things.

It's just a matter of numbers. These vehicles are involved in more collisions and more fatal ones, at least for pedestrians and other vehicles.

-Crissa

PS: Yes, large vehicles kill fewer of their own drivers. But over all, they kill more people when they are involved in collisions.
 

firsttruck

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 25, 2020
Messages
536
Reaction score
574
Location
mx
Vehicles
none
Country flag
-----------------------

The case against American truck bloat
A pointless design trend has turned trucks into dangerous pedestrian killers
Ryan Cooper
August 14, 2020
https://theweek.com/articles/929196/case-against-american-truck-bloat

.....
This behemoth design trend — particularly the very tall, square front end seen in so many SUVs and trucks today — is both pointless and dangerous. Manufacturers have known for years that this style of vehicle is much more dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists, yet they keep making them bigger, taller, and heavier. Trucks and SUVs now make up fully 70 percent of all new cars sold in the U.S. Their bloated design is killing people, especially pedestrians.

.....

Furthermore, the specific design trend of the massive hood sticking way out in front of the driver, with a cliff-face front grille obstructing the view several feet out in front of the wheels, is entirely a marketing gimmick. The explicit point is to create an angry, aggressive face that will intimidate others, especially pedestrians. Don't take it from me, take it from the guy who designed the latest GM Sierra HD: "The front end was always the focal point... we spent a lot of time making sure that when you stand in front of this thing it looks like it's going to come get you. It's got that pissed-off feel," he told Muscle Cars & Trucks. "The face of these trucks is where the action is," marketing expert Mark Schirmer told the Wall Street Journal's Dan Neil, "a Ford has to say Ford from head on, a Chevy must shout Chevy. Every pickup has become a rolling brand billboard and the billboards are big." And as Neil discovered when he was nearly run down in a Costco parking lot, that massive grille creates a massive blind spot.

Actual commercial trucks generally do not harm their practicality by deliberately making it harder to see where you are going. The Isuzu NPR-HD (which incidentally has more than twice the payload capacity of the GMC 2500 Denali) does have a flat front, but because of its cabover design that places the driver above the engine. That gives it more cargo room for its length, a better turning radius, and an excellent field of view. Indeed, the truck's brochure specifically advertises how its visibility is much better without a long hood. Similarly, commercial-grade heavy trucks like the Ford F-650 or the Freightliner M2 106 do have a front-mounted engine, but their hoods slope down so the driver can see better, rather than senselessly creating an extra blind spot with sheet metal and air. It's easy to tell when a truck has been designed for work rather than for looking cool on your PC's desktop wallpaper.

So it's not exactly the case that American auto manufacturers sat down and said "how can we kill as many pedestrians as possible?" They just design, build, and sell pointlessly huge SUVs and trucks they know for a fact are much more deadly for pedestrians, and resist proposals to incorporate pedestrians into their safety rating. They make these energy-gobbling machines even more dangerous with intimidating design elements that harm their usefulness. As an obvious and easily foreseen consequence, America is suffering an epidemic of pedestrian fatalities. Automakers rate high profits and adolescent marketing campaigns above the lives of people walking the streets, just like cigarette companies did back in the day.

-----------------------

Death on foot: America's love of SUVs (& pickup trucks) is killing pedestrians
America's love for SUVs is killing pedestrians, and federal safety regulators have known for years.
Eric D. Lawrence, Nathan Bomey and Kristi Tanner, Detroit Free Press/USA TODAY NETWORK
Published 11:18 AM CDT Jun. 28, 2018
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2018/06/28/suvs-killing-americas-pedestrians/646139002/

.....
Our investigation found:
1. Federal safety regulators have known for years that SUVs, with their higher front-end profile, are at least twice as likely as cars to kill the walkers, joggers and children they hit, yet have done little to reduce deaths or publicize the danger.
2. A federal proposal to factor pedestrians into vehicle safety ratings has stalled, with opposition from some automakers.
...
As early as 2001, researchers at Rowan University in New Jersey predicted a deadly trend that would reverse a historic drop in pedestrian fatalities, which are now the highest they have been since the George H.W. Bush presidency.

“In the United States, passenger vehicles are shifting from a fleet populated primarily by cars to a fleet dominated by light trucks and vans,” according to their research paper, referencing “light trucks,” which includes SUVs. “Because light trucks are heavier, stiffer and geometrically more blunt than passenger cars, they pose a dramatically different type of threat to pedestrians.”

Hampton Clay Gabler, a professor in the department of biomedical engineering and mechanics at Virginia Tech, wrote that paper with Devon Lefler. Gabler’s interest in the pedestrian issue came from research in other areas showing high death rates for those in cars struck by SUVs.

He described the vulnerability of pedestrians when struck by an SUV as a geometry problem of sorts because SUVs and pickups tend to be tall compared with pedestrians and have a blunter front end. That positioning is more likely to put someone’s head or chest in line to be struck during the initial impact with a vehicle.

“(Not to diminish leg injuries but) serious head and chest injuries can actually kill you,” Gabler said in a telephone interview.
.....

-----------------------

The SUVs and Trucks We Love Are Killing People
Rugged, high-clearance, all-wheel-drive vehicles are great for getting out there—but at what cost to cyclists and pedestrians?
Joe Lindsey
May 4, 2020
https://www.outsideonline.com/2411345/suvs-trucks-deadly-cyclist-crashes

-----------------------

New study suggests today's SUVs are more lethal to pedestrians than cars
June 16, 2020
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/ne...suvs-are-more-lethal-to-pedestrians-than-cars

.....
A previous IIHS study found that pedestrian crashes have become both deadlier and more frequent (see “Study highlights rising pedestrian deaths, points toward solutions,” May 8, 2018). Although pedestrian crashes most frequently involved cars, fatal single-vehicle crashes involving SUVs striking pedestrians increased 81 percent from 2009 to 2016, more than any other type of vehicle.

Earlier research had shown that SUVs, pickup trucks and passenger vans were 2-3 times more likely than cars to kill a pedestrian in the event of a crash.

-----------------------

The Hidden Danger of BIG Trucks
Pickup trucks are getting larger and becoming a hazard to pedestrians and drivers of smaller vehicles
By Keith Barry
June 08, 2021
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/the-hidden-dangers-of-big-trucks/

-----------------------
 
Last edited:

Advertisement





 


Advertisement
Top