No Cybertruck Side Sails, for sure

[charliemagpie]

Custom made... any factory fitted with side sails/wings ?

 

[Tinker71]

Custom made... any factory fitted with side sails/wings ?

Any idea on the price? $$$$$

 

[Sirfun]

or this might be a more realistic example.

Yep, that's how I think the Cybertruck quarter panels will look when open. Except the top line is not horizontal. With those doors made of 3mm Stainless they'll be plenty strong.

 

[RVAC]

The bottom version would be better as the top version implemented on the CT would require a lot of horizontal clearance to be able to open them up. Whilst it would be cool I'm skeptical of Tesla doing either one, seems too expensive. It sure would shut up the "it's a toy not a work truck crowd" though.

 

[firsttruck]

Custom made... any factory fitted with side sails/wings ?

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Before you rush to pay for this as aftermarket, check your state motor vehicle laws.
In some states, vehicle "hidden compartments" that are not from the factory are illegal.

It would be much better if standard from factory or factory sold aftermarket option.

 

[charliemagpie]

Any idea on the price? $$$$$

Don't know. There's another vid where he says he sold it.

In another article I found, a different Ford custom job of his sold at auction for $300,000.

 

[Crissa]

Before you rush to pay for this as aftermarket, check your state motor vehicle laws.
In some states, vehicle "hidden compartments" that are not from the factory are illegal.

Not any US states.

Personally, I think laws which limit anything other than drivetrain and safety are kinda BS.

-Crissa

 

[firsttruck]

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The 'Crime' of Having a Hidden Compartment in Your Car In drug cases, hidden compartment laws give prosecutors one more charge to pile onto the same offense, and contain scant protections for law-abiding folk, who may have perfectly legitimate reasons to conceal valuables in a secret compartment ( maybe park in a high-crime area or carry large amounts of cash for church or legal small business ).
By John Ross
2014 Feb 16
https://reason.com/2014/02/16/the-crime-of-having-a-hidden-compartment/

.....
Police and prosecutors naturally like this arrangement; they usually get to keep seized vehicles or the profits from auctioning them off. But the process is a nightmare for property owners, who are considered guilty until proven innocent.

Hidden compartment laws contain scant protections for law-abiding folk, who may have perfectly legitimate reasons to conceal valuables in a secret compartment. Maybe you park in a high-crime area. Perhaps you carry large amounts of cash for your church or small business. Or, from personal experience, maybe you go for a hike and don't want to risk losing your keys or wallet in the wilderness, but the plastic roof of your friend's Wrangler is easily penetrated.

Used-car owners could also be at risk. If police discover a secret nook you didn't know about, you're looking at arrest, at the very least. (Interestingly, Iowa's bill shields car dealers, but not car purchasers, from prosecution.)


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America, Here’s Your War on Drugs: A Felony Drug Arrest in Ohio for NOT Possessing or Trafficking Drugs
By American Enterprise Institute
November 22, 2013
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/amer...ohio-for-not-possessing-or-trafficking-drugs/

.....
Taking a page from the Gestapo handbook, the state of Ohio has recently enacted a law that makes a certain type of modification on cars a felony. The “hidden compartment” law makes it illegal to create any type of secret stash within a vehicle, which could be used to transport controlled substances. It doesn’t matter if there are any illegal drugs present, just having the hidden compartment is grounds for arrest and a class 4 felony. 30-year old Norman Gurley will go down in history as the first person arrested under this Constitutionally abrasive law.
Clearly the state troopers had nothing more than the “illegal” compartment or they would have gleefully offered that evidence. This is a bad law and another reason why we should abandon our failed war on drugs. Our prisons are filled to capacity with people charged with nothing more than possession of drugs. Do we really need to spend more precious tax dollars to house people for possessing nothing?

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The hidden compartment installer Alfred Anaya sentenced to 24 years in a federal prison with no possibility of obtaining parole. Alfred got sentenced to twice as many years as the actual drug smugglers.

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See no evil: car hacking and the laws of hidden compartments
April 4, 2013
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/see-no-evil

.....
A common hacker refrain is that technology is morally neutral. The culture's libertarian ethos holds that creators shouldn't be faulted if someone uses their gadget or hunk of code to cause harm. But Anaya's case makes clear that the US government rejects that permissive worldview. The technically savvy are on notice that calculated ignorance of illegal activity is not an acceptable excuse. But at what point does a failure to be nosy edge into criminal conduct? "What's troubling people is that this conviction seems to impose a sort of liability on people who create state-of-the-art technology," says Branden Bell, an attorney in Olathe, Kansas, who is handling Anaya's appeal. "The logic is: because he suspected his customers of something, he had a duty to ask. But that duty is written nowhere in the law."

The challenge for creators is to guess when they should turn their backs on customers.
If someone uses robots to patrol a smuggling route or protect a meth lab, how will prosecutors know whether the bot company acted criminally? If it accepted payment in crumpled $20 bills? If the customer picked up the merchandise in an overly flashy car?

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[Crissa]

Noted, neither of those laws are about modifications being not from the manufacturer, but about drug smuggling using the same logic that jailed people for having bottled water at dance clubs.

-Crissa

 

[Tinker71]

Don't know. There's another vid where he says he sold it.

In another article I found, a different Ford custom job of his sold at auction for $300,000.

The price and complexity is the reason I don't see this big a sail storage area. They would want the same storage on all models. The lower tier models need to be simple to keep cost down.

With the recent supply issues Elon is back to simplify production with fewer options and less complexity. I don't see this as an option. But then again, this isn't a computer chip. So it would be in Tesla's control more.

 

[charliemagpie]

The price and complexity is the reason I don't see this big a sail storage area. They would want the same storage on all models. The lower tier models need to be simple to keep cost down.

With the recent supply issues Elon is back to simplify production with fewer options and less complexity. I don't see this as an option. But then again, this isn't a computer chip. So it would be in Tesla's control more.

Need to consider the other was a one off custom job. Price is arbitrary.

Even added extras can be justified and absorbed , especially if the vendor wishes to maintain volume, and create a core product.

I wonder with the press, and the space age version of car manufacturing and considering Optimus doing more and more, if these extras cost as much as we imagine. Probably not.

 

[Tinker71]

Need to consider the other was a one off custom job. Price is arbitrary.

Even added extras can be justified and absorbed , especially if the vendor wishes to maintain volume, and create a core product.

I wonder with the press, and the space age version of car manufacturing and considering Optimus doing more and more, if these extras cost as much as we imagine. Probably not.

The gigapress savings were long since baked in. Optimus is still several years away and regular manufacturing robots will do the bulk of the manufacturing anyway.

Even if the total cost to manufacture a sail storage remotely similar to the pictures above is only $1000, that is still probably too much. After a 20% margin the cost for the base model needs to be under $36,000. (Assuming $45k total). Batteries $13.5, Frame $4, Motor $3, glass $2, Screen/controls $2, tires wheels $1, Suspension $2, Interior $2, Tonneau $1. Sum of WAG is only $31.5 IDK Maybe they can fit it in budget.

I hope so. There needs to be something in that space. I got bits to stash and I don't want it in the frunk.

 

[charliemagpie]

The original pricing included sail pillars, so I guess they would be in the costings already.

 

[Ogre]

That's the first prototype. All the newer prototypes got rid of that door and relocated it into the black wheel arch.

I think any little cutouts in the stainless are going to get nuked. As soon as you have a notch there it creates a place for stress fractures to propagate.

 

[FutureBoy]

-----------------------------------

The 'Crime' of Having a Hidden Compartment in Your Car In drug cases, hidden compartment laws give prosecutors one more charge to pile onto the same offense, and contain scant protections for law-abiding folk, who may have perfectly legitimate reasons to conceal valuables in a secret compartment ( maybe park in a high-crime area or carry large amounts of cash for church or legal small business ).
By John Ross
2014 Feb 16
https://reason.com/2014/02/16/the-crime-of-having-a-hidden-compartment/

.....
Police and prosecutors naturally like this arrangement; they usually get to keep seized vehicles or the profits from auctioning them off. But the process is a nightmare for property owners, who are considered guilty until proven innocent.

Hidden compartment laws contain scant protections for law-abiding folk, who may have perfectly legitimate reasons to conceal valuables in a secret compartment. Maybe you park in a high-crime area. Perhaps you carry large amounts of cash for your church or small business. Or, from personal experience, maybe you go for a hike and don't want to risk losing your keys or wallet in the wilderness, but the plastic roof of your friend's Wrangler is easily penetrated.

Used-car owners could also be at risk. If police discover a secret nook you didn't know about, you're looking at arrest, at the very least. (Interestingly, Iowa's bill shields car dealers, but not car purchasers, from prosecution.)


-----------------------------------

America, Here’s Your War on Drugs: A Felony Drug Arrest in Ohio for NOT Possessing or Trafficking Drugs
By American Enterprise Institute
November 22, 2013
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/amer...ohio-for-not-possessing-or-trafficking-drugs/

.....
Taking a page from the Gestapo handbook, the state of Ohio has recently enacted a law that makes a certain type of modification on cars a felony. The “hidden compartment” law makes it illegal to create any type of secret stash within a vehicle, which could be used to transport controlled substances. It doesn’t matter if there are any illegal drugs present, just having the hidden compartment is grounds for arrest and a class 4 felony. 30-year old Norman Gurley will go down in history as the first person arrested under this Constitutionally abrasive law.
Clearly the state troopers had nothing more than the “illegal” compartment or they would have gleefully offered that evidence. This is a bad law and another reason why we should abandon our failed war on drugs. Our prisons are filled to capacity with people charged with nothing more than possession of drugs. Do we really need to spend more precious tax dollars to house people for possessing nothing?

-----------------------------------

The hidden compartment installer Alfred Anaya sentenced to 24 years in a federal prison with no possibility of obtaining parole. Alfred got sentenced to twice as many years as the actual drug smugglers.

-----

See no evil: car hacking and the laws of hidden compartments
April 4, 2013
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/see-no-evil

.....
A common hacker refrain is that technology is morally neutral. The culture's libertarian ethos holds that creators shouldn't be faulted if someone uses their gadget or hunk of code to cause harm. But Anaya's case makes clear that the US government rejects that permissive worldview. The technically savvy are on notice that calculated ignorance of illegal activity is not an acceptable excuse. But at what point does a failure to be nosy edge into criminal conduct? "What's troubling people is that this conviction seems to impose a sort of liability on people who create state-of-the-art technology," says Branden Bell, an attorney in Olathe, Kansas, who is handling Anaya's appeal. "The logic is: because he suspected his customers of something, he had a duty to ask. But that duty is written nowhere in the law."

The challenge for creators is to guess when they should turn their backs on customers.
If someone uses robots to patrol a smuggling route or protect a meth lab, how will prosecutors know whether the bot company acted criminally? If it accepted payment in crumpled $20 bills? If the customer picked up the merchandise in an overly flashy car?

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These cases are all mentioning "hidden" compartments. The compartments in the Ford chase truck are not really hidden. They are behind panels/bumper but the latches to open them are not hidden and easily accessible. Perhaps the fact that they are unexpected might give the police some motivation to classify them as hidden. But really, what is the difference on that Ford versus a box truck that has various compartments built in for tools etc. Location and use are both the same. Just that the chase truck looks nicer.