No Resale Provision is Back

[CyberGus]

We need a specific designation of terms for the word “scapler”

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[SlegMD]

I’d follow this shady fella into an alley ?

 

[fhteagle]

I don't think he would ever _knowingly_ work them actually.

FIFY. Neuralink might be a lot further along than they're releasing publicly

 

[JBee]

FIFY. Neuralink might be a lot further along than they're releasing publicly

And Grok doesn't get paid, so doesn't technically work for Tesla.

The question is where one starts and the other stops.

 

[HaulingAss]

I bet Tesla is monitoring this thread. They may even be one of the posters.

Let's keep it real, "monitoring" is a pretty strong word. At best, and this is stretching it, someone at Tesla might pop in to take a "temperature" here or there. But they are not going to waste time monitoring this forum because they know it is not representative of anything but an extremely small slice of the market for Cybertruck. Probably less than 1% in the bigger picture.

Additionally, things tend to just go back and forth endlessly, between Tesla fans and people who seem intent on interpreting everything according to a world view that Tesla must be inept, Elon is an irrationally greedy and bad person, who is out of touch with what people really want, and that one of the most important considerations a new vehicle buyer has is how much variation there is in panel gaps. And that the underlying quality of any vehicle can be determined by measuring the variation of the panel gaps. As if that means anything beyond how big that panel gap is. They know a vehicle looks best with uniform panel gaps, but they also know consumers are not willing to pay an arm and a leg for that last little bit of uniformity. Reliability and longevity are the ultimate measures of quality.

No, Tesla would not pay people to monitor this forum in any on-going manner. Their path to success lies in building superior cars at prices so compelling they can sell in high volume at low prices. They know that if they cannot sell a car for more than it costs to build, the business is no longer viable. Wasting money monitoring a forum that represents such a small slice of the addressable market is counter-productive to that goal because making a great vehicle affordable, trumps everything. We can assume there are some employees that read what goes on here, but it is mostly for entertainment value in their spare time.

I'm sure they get a few chuckles in terms of how out-to-lunch some people are here.

 

[zoomer0056]

Elon is an irrationally greedy and bad person,

This is where I quit reading.

 

[HaulingAss]

yeah it's cvalue13

That's an odd comment. It's pretty obvious he has more of a history with legacy automotive, not Tesla. If he ever worked there, it didn't last long, and, obviously, he is not a current Tesla employee.

People say the strangest things!

 

[HaulingAss]

This is where I quit reading.

I usually quit when I get to comments like that too.

 

[davelloydbrown]

I usually quit when I get to comments like that too.

It's a joke and it isn't even about you It's true, engineers don't have a sense of humor

 

[Crissa]

And here is the link to the original document: https://www.tesla.com/configurator/api/v3/terms?locale=en_US&model=ct&saleType=Sale

You are right, there is no such thing in it. I saved the whole PDF for later reference.

This document says there's another set of documents (listed as #3) that define the actual, specific terms of sale.

So no, the no-sale clause isn't missing, it's just summarized.

Also...

If you make an agreement to sell something to someone, the date of the sale is the date you take the money and give them the truck.

It's the date they get the truck, basically.

So having a buyout agreement in a rental would be selling them the truck on 'terms', and you'd be in violation of the clause.

That said, I don't think Tesla will care about rentals - their purpose seems to be to make sure the trucks are being used. And on average, rentals and leases see more miles than purchased vehicles, which in turn see more miles than vehicles that pass through the hands of resellers.

-Crissa

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Let's keep it real, "monitoring" is a pretty strong word. At best, and this is stretching it, someone at Tesla might pop in to take a "temperature" here or there. But they are not going to waste time monitoring this forum because they know it is not representative of anything but an extremely small slice of the market for Cybertruck. Probably less than 1% in the bigger picture.

Additionally, things tend to just go back and forth endlessly, between Tesla fans and people who seem intent on interpreting everything according to a world view that Tesla must be inept, Elon is an irrationally greedy and bad person, who is out of touch with what people really want, and that one of the most important considerations a new vehicle buyer has is how much variation there is in panel gaps. And that the underlying quality of any vehicle can be determined by measuring the variation of the panel gaps. As if that means anything beyond how big that panel gap is. They know a vehicle looks best with uniform panel gaps, but they also know consumers are not willing to pay an arm and a leg for that last little bit of uniformity. Reliability and longevity is the ultimate measure of quality.

No, Tesla would not pay people to monitor this forum in any on-going manner. Their path to success lies in building superior cars at prices so compelling they can sell in high volume at low prices. They know that if they cannot sell a car for more than it costs to build, the business is no longer viable. Wasting money monitoring a forum that represents such a small slice of the addressable market is counter-productive to that goal because making a great vehicle affordable, trumps everything. We can assume there are some employees that read what goes on here, but it is mostly for entertainment value in their spare time.

I'm sure they get a few chuckles in terms of how out-to-lunch some people are here.

*jots downs notes*

 

[Crissa]

This is where I quit reading.

That phrase is taken out of context. You should probably read the entire paragraph.

And remember that Hauling Ass and I disagree on many things. But I can see he isn't saying Elon is greedy, he's saying that's an argument people make. Which it is.

-Crissa

 

[zoomer0056]

taken out of context

You are right and I just re-read the whole post. The quote I extracted really does not echo the sentiment of the post. My apologies ? .

 

[chlpat]

In my Foundation Order Agreement:

Ridiculously anti-competitive.

So do you really 'own' the Cybertruck you just bought?
If you can't freely sell it without restrictions, then NO.

Tesla is retaining a significant part of the legal ownership, so I say have Tesla pay some percentage of the personal property tax.

Extremely indefinite/broad provisions, for example: "will first be released in limited quantity."
"First?"
How many Cybertrucks constitute the first release, how many constitute the "limited quantity?"
Is it the first 100? 1000? 10,000?
The first month of production? The first year? The first 2 years?

WTF knows?

Will they be branded "Limited Edition?"
And what is so special about them that permits this non-sense?
Are they going to be different from the ones that will be later mass-produced?

Someone in the Tesla legal dept. better have thought all that out and be prepared to justify this clause in court if they try to sue someone who doesn't comply.

As for the charge of 'scalping,' well in most places scalping is LEGAL.

It's known as the 'free market' folks, something America likes to brag that we have.

This is especially ironic and hypocritical from a 'libertarian' like Musk who espouses that freedom should be almost unlimited, and then seeks to limit Cybertruck purchasers freedom to resell.

Go figure...




https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...cybertruck-buyers-who-try-to-resell-the-cars/

 

[zoomer0056]

the Tesla legal dept. better have thought all that out

You can bet on that.

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