Photo: Cybertruck lightbar accessory on in the dark / night

[cvalue13]

Your original post only said you’re not going to find that on an off-road led light bar. The Toyota TRD Pro has an oem lightbar that is very easily more than 300 candlepower.

maybe I don’t understand your quote/point

I’m pretty confident you don’t understand mine. i stand by what I said

the lightbar main diodes, that are well in excess of 300 candlepower, so not come OEM as color-changing. In fact, I’m not aware of a high power diode for lightbar level lumens that is capable of eg RGB/color-changing.

closest it comes are emergency service lightbars that in edition to having takedown and alley beams (equiv of offroad light) have, separate multi-color diodes that are brightenough for those purposes but not for illuminating down road - but even those require extra kit for them to operate that way.

Put differently, *this* is the type of color-changing “backlighting” you can have if the colored light is less than 300 candlepower

what me and @Jhodgesatmb were talking about is whether the main diodes in the CT are addressable/color-changeable


answer is not only is that not quite workable from an engineering perspective, it’s also not legal - including in part because those diodes are capable of far more than 300 candle power


(and amber running color is a separate matter)

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[tenetke]

maybe I don’t understand your quote/point

I’m pretty confident you don’t understand mine. i stand by what I said

the lightbar main diodes, that are well in excess of 300 candlepower, so not come OEM as color-changing. In fact, I’m not aware of a high power diode for lightbar level lumens that is capable of eg RGB/color-changing.

closest it comes are emergency service lightbars that in edition to having takedown and alley beams (equiv of offroad light) have, separate multi-color diodes that are brightenough for those purposes but not for illuminating down road - but even those require extra kit for them to operate that way.

Put differently, *this* is the type of color-changing “backlighting” you can have if the colored light is less than 300 candlepower

what me and @Jhodgesatmb were talking about is whether the main diodes in the CT are addressable/color-changeable


answer is not only is that not quite workable from an engineering perspective, it’s also not legal - including in part because those diodes are capable of far more than 300 candle power


(and amber running color is a separate matter)

I don’t think it’s as complicated as your post is implying about the sale and installation of an accessory like a lightbar. Ford has been doing this already. I can order Ford Performance ditch lights or roof mounted lightbars from a Ford dealer and the dealer will install them for me. Seems like it would be the same for Tesla.

 

[cvalue13]

I don’t think it’s as complicated as your post is implying about the sale and installation of an accessory like a lightbar. Ford has been doing this already. I can order Ford Performance ditch lights or roof mounted lightbars from a Ford dealer and the dealer will install them for me. Seems like it would be the same for Tesla.

what on earth are you talking about?

I never said Tesla isn’t going to install the lightbar they sell (in fact, I believe only Tesla - maybe even only the factory at first, will install).

I’m saying OEMs will not sell offroad light bars that color change any diodes that are in excess of 300 candlepower


You seem wholly confused about the relevant conversation being had here:

Q: will the Tesla lightbar change colors
A: no

it has no “backlighting” separate diodes aside from the Offroad lightning diodes, and so it can’t legally color change the main offroad diodes

Meanwhile, although off topic, I don’t know if a single OEM that gets into tacky color change offroad backlighting for trucks/jeeps that look like they’re made for guys in Ed Hardy blue jeans at SEMA

 

[tenetke]

what on earth are you talking about?

I never said Tesla isn’t going to install the lightbar they sell (in fact, I believe only Tesla - maybe even only the factory at first, will install).

I’m saying OEMs will not sell offroad light bars that color change any diodes that are in excess of 300 candlepower


You seem wholly confused about the relevant conversation being had here:

Q: will the Tesla lightbar change colors
A: no

it has no “backlighting” separate diodes aside from the Offroad lightning diodes, and so it can’t legally color change the main offroad diodes

Meanwhile, although off topic, I don’t know if a single OEM that gets into tacky color change offroad backlighting for trucks/jeeps that look like they’re made for guys in Ed Hardy blue jeans at SEMA

Sorry it wasn’t cleared based on what I replied to. I’m guessing it wasn’t clear by me replying that off-road light bars can color change. Or that OEMs lightbars come installed from the factory via Toyota already and Ford already sells lights via their accessories webpage or from their parts department and installs them. No big deal if we weren’t discussing the same thing.. took a lot of reading to understand what you were eventually saying.






Not going to find that on an off-road LED light bar

not only are there state law prohibitions on eg selling to or install by people not in emergency services bars that contain certain color LEDs, these types of offroad diodes are set up for max lumen while regulating excess heat (capabilities limited in diodes with color-changing abilities)


Separately, it’s going to be interesting to see how Tesla handles sales of the light bar, as their is a broad range of state by state laws on offroad light bars. Maybe they offer a light bar cover, which handles most states, possibly.

I suspect it’s also possible there will be states where Tesla simply doesn’t offer the lightbar as an option

Curious if the overall landscape, I found this colloquial summary from a known offroad lightbar maker. Goes to show the Tesla / OEM quandary getting into light bar accessories

 

[cvalue13]

I’m guessing it wasn’t clear by me replying that off-road light bars can color change.

yeah, I was talking about the main offroad high lumen diodes, which are the only type of diodes in this particular lightbar made by Hella

Or that OEMs lightbars come installed from the factory via Toyota already and Ford already sells lights via their accessories webpage or from their parts department and installs them.

on this separate point, about whether OEMs will sell/install offroad light bars in every state - now I think I understand what you’re getting at

what light bars come installed from the factory?

I’m only familiar with OEM’s basically on-selling aftermarket 3rd party manufacturer lightbars, not true OEM accessories that eg configurable on the ordering page for a vehicle.

for the types of 3rd party accessory sales, if you go to eg Ford to buy the part, you’ll find eg, for a Rigid Industries light bar:

“Notes:​

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Warning-this part has been designed and is intended for off-highway application only. Installation on a vehicle intended for use on public roads may violate U.S., Canadian, state or provincial laws and regulations including those relating to emission requirements and motor vehicle safety standards. In addition, installation of this part may adversely affect the warranty coverage on your vehicle….​

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Emission Type: FOR OFF-ROAD USE ONLY​

Not all Ford Performance Parts may be installed on vehicles that are driven on public roads.
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Click here for more information about compliance with emissions standards.​

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PARTS INTENDED FOR COMPETITION USE ONLY OR OFF-ROAD USE ONLY​

​

This website/catalog includes parts that are intended solely for competition vehicles that will only be driven on a track or an off-road course. Such parts are not designed to be installed on vehicles that will be driven on public roads. The product descriptions for such parts are accompanied by the following warning:​

​

WARNING:​

This part is designed and intended for competition use only or off-highway use only. It should not be installed on a vehicle that is driven on public roads and highways. Installation of this part on a vehicle driven on public roads and highways is likely to violate U.S. and Canadian laws and regulations relating to motor vehicle emissions.​

​

Consumers are strongly advised not to install parts accompanied by this warning on vehicles that will be driven on public roads.”​

Since Tesla appears to be OEM-whitelabeling these from Hella, selling as an OEM part configurable on vehicle ordering, and even making them standard equipment in the Foundarion models, I just wondered what similar sort of legal acrobatics they might go through to be able to do so across all the states that have such different laws

Separately, it’s going to be interesting to see how Tesla handles sales of the light bar, as their is a broad range of state by state laws on offroad light bars. Maybe they offer a light bar cover, which handles most states, possibly.

I suspect it’s also possible there will be states where Tesla simply doesn’t offer the lightbar as an option

eg in CA, where both (A) technically lightbars must have a cover over them if on a public road, and (B) CHP doesn’t f*ck around, I wonder what they do with the eg Foundation Cyberbeast being shipped there with the lightbars.

though at the moment, we haven’t seen a single Cyberbeast Founders unit with a lightbar attached from the factory, so ??‍

 

[tenetke]

yeah, I was talking about the main offroad high lumen diodes, which are the only type of diodes in this particular lightbar made by Hella




on this separate point, about whether OEMs will sell/install offroad light bars in every state - now I think I understand what you’re getting at

what light bars come installed from the factory?

I’m only familiar with OEM’s basically on-selling aftermarket 3rd party manufacturer lightbars, not true OEM accessories that eg configurable on the ordering page for a vehicle.

for the types of 3rd party accessory sales, if you go to eg Ford to buy the part, you’ll find eg, for a Rigid Industries light bar:

“Notes:​

​

Warning-this part has been designed and is intended for off-highway application only. Installation on a vehicle intended for use on public roads may violate U.S., Canadian, state or provincial laws and regulations including those relating to emission requirements and motor vehicle safety standards. In addition, installation of this part may adversely affect the warranty coverage on your vehicle….​

​

Emission Type: FOR OFF-ROAD USE ONLY​

Not all Ford Performance Parts may be installed on vehicles that are driven on public roads.​

​

Click here for more information about compliance with emissions standards.​

​

PARTS INTENDED FOR COMPETITION USE ONLY OR OFF-ROAD USE ONLY​

​

This website/catalog includes parts that are intended solely for competition vehicles that will only be driven on a track or an off-road course. Such parts are not designed to be installed on vehicles that will be driven on public roads. The product descriptions for such parts are accompanied by the following warning:​

​

​

WARNING:​

This part is designed and intended for competition use only or off-highway use only. It should not be installed on a vehicle that is driven on public roads and highways. Installation of this part on a vehicle driven on public roads and highways is likely to violate U.S. and Canadian laws and regulations relating to motor vehicle emissions.​

​

Consumers are strongly advised not to install parts accompanied by this warning on vehicles that will be driven on public roads.”​

Since Tesla appears to be OEM-whitelabeling these from Hella, selling as an OEM part configurable on vehicle ordering, and even making them standard equipment in the Foundarion models, I just wondered what similar sort of legal acrobatics they might go through to be able to do so across all the states that have such different laws




eg in CA, where both (A) technically lightbars must have a cover over them if on a public road, and (B) CHP doesn’t f*ck around, I wonder what they do with the eg Foundation Cyberbeast being shipped there with the lightbars.

though at the moment, we haven’t seen a single Cyberbeast Founders unit with a lightbar attached from the factory, so ??‍

Yeah I think they’re installed or sold as “for off-road use only” in general. When the lightbar is available for purchase I’m sure I’ll buy it. Having that extra light power is helpful when it’s time to round up cattle for branding. My Lightning worked for branding for hours on end and I’m excited to have a Cybertruck to take over for that.

 

[Huntsman]

Great news in the Leno video, light bar wires are tucked into every truck so even non beasts will be able to have off road lights.
previously in this thread mattix headlights were mentioned. For those that dont know, they may work like this:

Above a determined speed (maybe50mph) your car switches to high beam but turns off any LEDs that might be blinding for cars you are following, leaving low beams still on, and turning off the LEDs an oncoming car might see in a constantly changing matrix as they pass you turning the LEDs on as they vacate that zone.
photo from (https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/what-are-matrix-headlights-and-do-they-work/)

 

[Eddyrelik]

When will the light bar be available to order?!?

 

[rizvend]

Please wipe your iPhone camera lens!

It's the "smokey" ambiance. ?

 

[JDTaylor]

Not going to find that on an off-road LED light bar

not only are there state law prohibitions on eg selling to or install by people not in emergency services bars that contain certain color LEDs, these types of offroad diodes are set up for max lumen while regulating excess heat (capabilities limited in diodes with color-changing abilities)

Hella is the maker of the bar, and you can check their website and deduce which existing Hella product has been modified for the CT


Separately, it’s going to be interesting to see how Tesla handles sales of the light bar, as their is a broad range of state by state laws on offroad light bars. Maybe they offer a light bar cover, which handles most states, possibly.

I suspect it’s also possible there will be states where Tesla simply doesn’t offer the lightbar as an option

Curious if the overall landscape, I found this colloquial summary from a known offroad lightbar maker. Goes to show the Tesla / OEM quandary getting into light bar accessories


State by State Breakdown
Every state takes its own approach to laws about LED light bars. Learn more about your state’s specific requirements here, and see a handy summary grid here.

The key is to identify how your state addresses LED light bars – are they considered off-road lights and specifically regulated as such, or does your state group them in with auxiliary lights? Some states take the law further and require LED bulbs to be covered with opaque material while the vehicle is on a public roadway.

In many states, it’s illegal to drive on public roads with LED light bars turned on. Don’t try this in Arkansas, Delaware, Hawaii, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Wyoming.

New York’s solution was to permit aux lights – so long as they do not exceed 402 lumens, total. There are no LED light bars on the market that meet this cutoff, so in New York, skip the aux lights and treat yourself to bed rails or a new rear cargo rack instead.

In New Jersey, an LED light bar is allowed, as long as it is a low profile model and sits lower than the truck’s headlights. Florida and Maine specify that aux lights must adhere to existing vehicle light laws around placement and intensity. In Vermont, after-market lights must be DOT-approved.

Cover your LED lights while driving on public roads in California and Pennsylvania. In Virginia, any aux lights mounted higher than the factory headlights on the vehicle must be covered. In West Virginia, all lights mounted 42” or higher from the ground must be covered.

Many states regulate the number, placement, direction, and overall intensity of aux lights, off-road lights, or LED light bars (measured in candlepower, which can be converted to lumens by multiplying candlepower by 12.57).

States that limit the number of lights permitted on a vehicle, whether by specifically restricting aux lights or restricting the total number of lights: Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin.

States that limit the total candlepower of lights permitted on a vehicle: Arizona, Connecticut, Washington D.C., Hawaii, Idaho, and New York.

States that restrict the mounting placement of lights and where they strike the road, sometimes based upon total candlepower: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Washington, D.C., Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Washington, and West Virginia.

Our best advice in any state? Check the laws in your state and municipality before adding LED light bars to your truck.



LIGHT BAR LAWS BY STATE

Alabama	Off-roading lights limited to two glare-free cowl or fender lamps.	Alabama Legal Information
Alaska	The front of a vehicle is limited to four lights. No part of a high intensity light can strike the road.	Alaska Legal Information
Arizona	Any light greater than 300 candlepower (3,771 lumens) must be directed so that no part of the beam strikes the road 75 feet from the vehicle.	Arizona Legal Information
Arkansas	No auxiliary driving lights may be used on pubic roads.	Arkansas Legal Information
California	When on public roadways, off-road lights must be off and covered with an opaque cover.	California Legal Information
Colorado	Auxiliary lights are limited to two, and the beams must be directed to the left side less than 100 feet away from the vehicle.	Colorado Legal Information
Connecticut	No more than four lights on the front of a vehicle. They cannot exceed 300 candlepower (3,771 lumens).	Connecticut Legal Information
Delaware	Allows two spotlights and two headlights. Light bars must be off while on the road.	Delaware Legal Information
D.C.	All lights greater than 300 candlepower (3,771 lumens) must be directed so no part of the beam hits 75 feet away from the vehicle.	D.C. Legal Information
Florida	Only four lights are allowed in front of a vehicle, and must adhere to existing light laws.	Florida Legal Information
Georgia	Only one spotlight, not to be aimed at any approaching vehicle. One "auxiliary driving light" is allowed but must be mounted between 16 and 42 inches from the ground.	Georgia Legal Information
Hawaii	Lights are not allowed to exceed 2,400 candlepower (30,168 lumens). Light bars must be turned off on roads.	Hawaii Legal Information
Idaho	If any of the front lights have a light with greater than 300 candlepower (3,771 lumens), then only four lights are allowed.	Idaho Legal Information
Illinois	No more than four lights on the front of a vehicle may be lit. All lights must be dimmable and aimed away from other drivers' eyes.	Illinois Legal Information
Indiana	One auxiliary driving lamp is allowed, but must be mounted between 24 and 42 inches from the road's surface.	Indiana Legal Information
Iowa	Any bright light must be directed away from the eyes of other drivers. Only three auxiliary driving lamps are allowed on a vehicle.	Iowa Legal Information
Kansas	All lights must be directed so that no part of the high intensity beam strikes the roadway more than 75 feet out from the vehicle.	Kansas Legal Information
Kentucky	Illegal to drive with LED light bars turned on.	Kentucky Legal Information
Louisiana	Illegal to drive with LED light bars turned on.	Louisiana Legal Information
Maine	No auxiliary light can be brighter than the standard lighting equipment.	Maine Legal Information
Maryland	No more than two auxiliary lamps mounted between 16 and 42 inches above ground level.	Maryland Legal Information
Massachusetts	Illegal to drive with LED light bars turned on. Strict regulations on all aftermarket lighting.	Massachusetts Legal Information
Michigan	No more than four forward facing lights.	Michigan Legal Information
Minnesota	May have up to two auxiliary driving lamps between 16 and 42 inches above a level surface.	Minnesota Legal Information
Mississippi	Two auxiliary driving lamps allowed, but must be mounted between 12 and 42 inches above a level surface.	Mississippi Legal Information
Missouri	Up to three auxiliary driving lamps mounted between 12 and 42 inches above a level surface.	Missouri Legal Information
Montana	Light bars may not be used on public roadways.	Montana Legal Information
Nevada	Two auxiliary lamps mounted between 16 and 42 inches above a level surface.	Nevada Legal Information
New Hampshire	Up to three auxiliary driving lamps mounted between 12 and 42 inches high.	New Hampshire Legal Information
New Jersey	May use a light bar as long as it is low profile and sits lower than the headlights.	New Jersey Legal Information(PDF Download)
New Mexico	One auxiliary driving lamp mounted between 16 and 42 inches above the ground. Must be able to be turned off at least 500 feet from approaching vehicles.	New Mexico Legal Information
New York	While not technically illegal, all auxiliary lights cannot exceed 32 candlepower (402 lumens). There are no light bars made with less than 32 candlepower.	New York Legal Information
North Carolina	Light bars must be off while driving on public roads.	North Carolina Legal Information
North Dakota	No part of the light can hit the ground 75 feet from the vehicle.	North Dakota Legal Information
Ohio	No more than five front-facing lights. No high intensity beam may strike the roadway 75 feet from the vehicle.	Ohio Legal Information
Oklahoma	Off-road lights may not be used on roadways.	Oklahoma Legal Information
Oregon	Off-road lights may only be used off-roads.	Oregon Legal Information
Pennsylvania	Off-road lights must be off and covered while on public roads.	Pennsylvania Legal Information
Rhode Island	All lights with more than 300 candlepower (3,771 lumens) must be directed so they don't hit the roadway more than 75 feet in front of the vehicle.	Rhode Island Legal Information
South Carolina	All lights with more than 300 candlepower (3,771 lumens) must be directed so they don't hit the roadway more than 75 feet in front of the vehicle.	South Carolina Legal Information
South Dakota	All lights with more than 25 candlepower (314.25 lumens) must be directed so that no part of the beam hits the level surface 50 feet in front of a vehicle.	South Dakota Legal Information
Tennessee	No more than two auxiliary lights allowed, and no portion of the beam may be directed where it can strike oncoming drivers.	Tennessee Legal Information
Texas	Two auxiliary driving lamps are permitted, but must be mounted between 16 and 42 inches above a level surface.	Texas Legal Information
Utah	Any light with greater than 300 candlepower (3,771 lumens) must be directed so that no portion of the beam strikes the roadway.	Utah Legal Information
Vermont	Aftermarket lights must be DOT approved.	Vermont Legal Information
Virginia	Any lights mounted higher than factory headlights must be covered. May have 2 uncovered lights in addition to headlights. Uncovered lights must be set to turn off if brights are turned on.	Virginia Legal Information
Washington	Two auxiliary lights are allowed, but must be mounted between 16 and 42 inches off the ground.	Washington Legal Information
West Virginia	All lamps mounted higher than 42 inches off the ground must be covered.	West Virginia Legal Information
Wisconsin	No more than 4 forward facing lights.	Wisconsin Legal Information
Wyoming	Light bars are not legal on public roadways	Wyoming Legal Information

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