RN SELLING

[NoGasTx]

There is a reselling clause, but you can transfer your reservation number because you haven’t actually bought the Cybertruck yet if it’s just a reservation number. 100% allowed.

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[REM]

You have to verify not only your drivers' license, but 3d mapped face via the app when you are ordering your CyberTruck.

At least for the foundation series. I think it's obvious that they have done this to demolish scalpers. Thank God. Very likely they will remove this as production ramps up.

 

[cvalue13]

I think this concept relies on a perceived technicality rather than the underlying reality of the situation.

If one wants to look at perceived technicalities, there is this and probably a dozen other ways to *technically* get around the no-sell clause as drafted.

But in the practical world, the technicalities are relevant if at all only after a final determination by an arbitrator, who finds in one's favor.

What's left is all the time, effort, and risk, between [today] and the receipt of that final determination from an arbitrator.


So then the actually relevant question becomes, what levers does Tesla have to pull between [today] and [final determination]?

The answer is all of the levers.

Here, the reality is that Tesla can enforce its view completely and totally between [today] and [final determination.] Here are just a few examples (that strike at the heart of the OP's technicality):

• for the same reasons ("because you haven’t actually bought the Cybertruck yet"), at any time prior to taking full payment, or before delivery, Tesla can simply terminate the order, refund the $1,000, and be on its way. (Meanwhile, whomever "bought" the RN had better hope their counterparty is good natured and returns those amounts.)
• if upon or after making full payment, Tesla can simply terminate the sale because - regardless of the technicality - it's their view that it's a violation of the no-sell clause, and now the "buyer" of the RN is free to spend its time and energy arguing with Tesla to the contrary right up to the point of a final determination (good luck!)
• if upon or after taking delivery, [same outcome as the above], but now Buyer has the Truck which Tesla can effectively 'brick' from a distance (e.g., disallow supercharging, etc.), all the way to effectuating the no-resell clause's injunction rights ... Tesla needs only to provide the no resale clause and proof to a judge, who will then (effectively) impound the vehicle awaiting a final resolution between the parties (or the arbitrator)
• or, weeks or months after taking delivery and buyer/seller believe they're so clever, Tesla can discover the transfer and then [same as above RE bricking/injunction]

And for all of the options above, Tesla will have all the information it ever needs to flag and identify these shennanigans. And they can by either casual approach or maliciousness wait to pull any of these levers until it's most painful for the RN seller/buyer.






In summary, folks who don't operate within the commercial contractual space for a living tend to incorrectly think that the "technical" language of the contract is what is important, when it's often of relatively little importance (except between two sophisticated parties with both the interest and resources to put the contract language to the test in a dispute in front of a judge/arbitrator).

Instead, MOST of commercial contractual effects - especially between a sophisticated and resourced party and a counterparty with no leverage - aren't about the technical outcome of the contractual language, but instead the options of either party to make the life of the other party uncomfortable or hellish BEFORE there's ever a decision on the technicalities of the contractual language.


Think of the contractual language as merely the NFL stadium and NFL rules regarding game play, which will determine which team will "win" only after completion of the 4th quarter. In that analogy, saying e.g., "There is a reselling clause, but you can transfer your reservation number because you haven’t actually bought the Cybertruck yet if it’s just a reservation number. 100% allowed." is equivalent to saying "there's a tricky and little known NFL rule that means that if we make it to the last 20 seconds of the game and we're up by 3 points, we can just kneel the ball and run the clock out."

Great, now all you have to do is assemble a competitive NFL team and make it into the league, the game, and through the first 59:40 of the game, before your "gotcha" play is ever relevant.

 

[mitochondria]

You have to verify not only your drivers' license, but 3d mapped face via the app when you are ordering your CyberTruck.

At least for the foundation series. I think it's obvious that they have done this to demolish scalpers. Thank God. Very likely they will remove this as production ramps up.

I had to do this exact process when I ordered my model Y two years ago. Face mapping is not new. Why would Tesla care about purchased RNs? They don’t. They still get 100-120K regardless.

 

[NoGasTx]

They ALLOW RN TRANSFERS

PERIOD

SOME DRAWBACKS BUT NOT DEAL KILLERS or they would not allow

 

[CyberGus]

They ALLOW RN TRANSFERS

PERIOD

Source?

 

[sstevens805]

So how would one do that? I just found out last week that my brother has a 112 RN and was going to let it go, but he'll give it to me so I can get my CT earlier.

 

[NoGasTx]

Source?

I couldn’t find my RN number.
Dec 28th 2019. I made a reservation for my nephew March 2020.
the email address that I gave Tesla my email address did not work. They cannot find the reservation. When they put my nephew’s email address, they were able to find his reservation.
My nephew is no longer in a position to get his Cybertruck and I asked Tesla if I could have his reservation number. They said yes. They sent him an email and said he has to answer them FROM his email address consent I to the transfer to me. before that happened I found my reservation under another email address. (I forgot I was driving and had my son make my reservation. He used my credit card, but used his email address (wwhhhhyyyy!!!!! lol).
this is the only reason I know is transferable I was panicking because I knew I was at the top but thought I was going to have to get back in que #2,000,001 RN

 

[CyberGus]

I couldn’t find my RN number.
Dec 28th 2019. I made a reservation for my nephew March 2020.
the email address that I gave Tesla my email address did not work. They cannot find the reservation. When they put my nephew’s email address, they were able to find his reservation.
My nephew is no longer in a position to get his Cybertruck and I asked Tesla if I could have his reservation number. They said yes. They sent him an email and said he has to answer them FROM his email address consent I to the transfer to me. before that happened I found my reservation under another email address. (I forgot I was driving and had my son make my reservation. He used my credit card, but used his email address (wwhhhhyyyy!!!!! lol).
this is the only reason I know is transferable I was panicking because I knew I was at the top but thought I was going to have to get back in que #2,000,001 RN

Sure, but that seems like a one-off courtesy? If you call Telsa now to "transfer" your RN to a 3rd party, I do not think you will be welcomed

 

[NoGasTx]

Sure, but that seems like a one-off courtesy? If you call Telsa now to "transfer" your RN to a 3rd party, I do not think you will be welcomed

The agent did not know my full story. I said I had a family member with a reservation is he allowed to transfer it to me and the answer was yes. The agent told me to process to transfer.

 

[NoGasTx]

Gus call and see dude. Now there is no need for speculation. You can transfer your reservation number to another person but you can’t sell your Cybertruck for one year.

 

[REM]

They ALLOW RN TRANSFERS

PERIOD

SOME DRAWBACKS BUT NOT DEAL KILLERS or they would not allow

Then why did they add the no-resale clause? It doesn't make sense.

 

[NoGasTx]

Then why did they add the no-resale clause? It doesn't make sense.

REM ask Elon’s attorneys lol
I don’t know lol
Maybe they envisioned one rn number swapping with another that’s not quite ready or a family member dying and the family being able to take the reservation…..why do u care?
I was going to have my plates LvElon but my husband said no…..I have 2 RNs and my nephew IF ELON says Mashanda don’t sell ur reservation number I won’t. Otherwise I’m starting a bidding site for the 2M people below us and others to come.

 

[CyberGus]

Can you transfer your Tesla reservation?
Yes, it is possible to transfer your Tesla reservation. But before I show you how, the following are a few things that you need to know before transferring a Tesla reservation:

• According to Tesla’s policy, you are not allowed to sell your reservation. You can only transfer your reservation to a close family member, such as your spouse.
• If you have a history of selling your Tesla with low or little mileage or have many orders (previous and current) then you may end up getting banned by Tesla.

That means your current orders will also be canceled and you will not be able to buy a Tesla in the future because the Tesla loss prevention team has labeled you as a reseller.

https://evsguy.com/how-to-transfer-tesla-reservation/

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