Ryan Shaw's Cybertruck (Cyberbeast) Review | Off-Roading, Sand Run, Beast Mode Launch, Towing

[SolarWizard]

There is nothing bullshit about that torque figure. ICE vehicles have engine torque numbers because they can measure that number on an engine dyno. You do that with an EV you would have to use the battery and controller hooked to an engine dyno to do a similar measurement, and nobody does that. Horsepower in an ICE is calculated as Torque X RPM / 5252. In an EV they calculate horsepower based on the electrical power consumed by the motor. If you put an EV on a chassis dyno, you will get a torque number that isn't accurate because they were not measuring engine RPM at the same time. Actual torque applied to the ground is a more real world figure than torque at the motor. GM did something similar with the Hummer EV. Expect to see it more.

So you’re expecting that a dyno would report 10000ft lbs? If so be ready for big let down

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[Longranger]

Excellent review by a believable reviewer.

 

[ModelC]

Ryan - is generally a whiner when it comes to things. For him to be this giddy is a good thing. The build is the build at this point. If you are unhappy, don't get it; buy a fine European car. I know from past Tesla car ownership that they will fix issues as they come up. And yes, it shouldn't be there because blah, blah, blah. As he said, I experienced a similar thing this weekend with the R1T and the R1S on a test drive because I was bored. It was bumpy and bouncy and annoying. I got back into my X and did the same drive and it was butta, butta I tell you. And the CT will ride smoother than the X, so I can't wait.

 

[cybrtrk84]

pretty disappointed at the CB's built quality. That alcantara dash looks like its straight out of west coast customs

the dash did look pretty horrible....hopefully they get that sorted a lot better

 

[CyberTruckeeTheOne]

Ok, I'm convinced, it's awesome.

Wait, I already ordered.

The prayers now is not to fall in love with it so I can still pursue my strategy of buy-enjoy-and-sell at small profit like what my son-in-law did with his 2 Ferraris and an Lambo Aventador.

 

[Woodrick]

the dash did look pretty horrible....hopefully they get that sorted a lot better

Interesting concept.

I've seen so many off-roaders where you couldn't even see the dash because of the layers of dust.

Must be a need of "Gentlemen Offraders"

 

[DrPhyzx]

Ok, I stopped watching when he repeats that bullshit torque figure

That’s not how any company reports, torque, and it sure as hell isn’t how are “” journalist should report it without explaining what it is

probavly a bit of an overreaction, but someone please just review this truck on real terms

Torque figures at the motor are particularly irrelevant and stupid for EVs, because what you really want to know is the force (assuming traction is unlimited) that the vehicle can generate in pulling on something. Without specifics of the gearing, which are all over the place for EVs, a torque figure at the motor tells you nothing about this.

A torque figure at the drive wheels is at least close to this: you only need to input the tire radius then to get the available pulling force. However, it's important to educate people about the meaning of the specification if you are going to quote this as a figure of merit.

 

[Woodrick]

Torque figures at the motor are particularly irrelevant and stupid for EVs, because what you really want to know is the force (assuming traction is unlimited) that the vehicle can generate in pulling on something. Without specifics of the gearing, which are all over the place for EVs, a torque figure at the motor tells you nothing about this.

A torque figure at the drive wheels is at least close to this: you only need to input the tire radius then to get the available pulling force. However, it's important to educate people about the meaning of the specification if you are going to quote this as a figure of merit.

Is that kind of like the "How do you make a Porche 911 accelerate faster?"

Let the Cybertruck tow it?

That's torque, speed, and acceleration.

Torque on an electric motor depends to be defined as when something melts. It's going to torque its little heart out. Hence the reason Tesla had to increase the wiring and fuse sizes on one of the new modes.


(yes, just kidding)

 

[Cybertruck2024]

Ok, I'm convinced, it's awesome.

Wait, I already ordered.

The prayers now is not to fall in love with it so I can still pursue my strategy of buy-enjoy-and-sell at small profit like what my son-in-law did with his 2 Ferraris and an Lambo Aventador.

No way you make any amount of money on a Cyberbeast to make up for the potential risk. You're in CA, so you have $9k of tax you need make up on a resale. The lowest auction fee on any resale site is 5%, most are closer to 10%. If you sell for $150k, now you have $8k in fees even in the most friendly scenario. $150k - $130k cost after taxes and registration- $8k auction fee = $12k profit. Assuming you have a 32% tax rate, now you're at $8k in profit.

You have to consider potential resale liability if Tesla enforces what they are doing, so that's a risk. Also need to consider potentially not getting $150k for the truck if there's not demand or too many others are selling. Is it a good idea to purchase something for $130k to potentially make $8k, with a huge amount of risk?

You'd make about $5k in a high yielding no risk savings account after taxes with the same $130k. If you have cash, do that, be smart. If you're taking out a loan at 7.5% in hopes of making money, dear God...

 

[cvalue13]

However, it's important to educate people about the meaning of the specification if you are going to quote this as a figure of merit.

this is really the core point

you can, in that education, help by continuing to give an equivalence figure in “old” terms

i was merely framing it in overreacting frustration ?

 

[Woodrick]

No way you make any amount of money on a Cyberbeast to make up for the potential risk. You're in CA, so you have $9k of tax you need make up on a resale. The lowest auction fee on any resale site is 5%, most are closer to 10%. If you sell for $150k, now you have $8k in fees even in the most friendly scenario. $150k - $130k cost after taxes and registration- $8k auction fee = $12k profit. Assuming you have a 32% tax rate, now you're at $8k in profit.

You have to consider potential resale liability if Tesla enforces what they are doing, so that's a risk. Also need to consider potentially not getting $150k for the truck if there's not demand or too many others are selling. Is it a good idea to purchase something for $130k to potentially make $8k, with a huge amount of risk?

You'd make about $5k in a high yielding no risk savings account after taxes with the same $130k. If you have cash, do that, be smart. If you're taking out a loan at 7.5% in hopes of making money, dear God...

CA Tax credits?

And I'd be surprised if it went for as low as $150k.

 

[cybrtrk84]

CA Tax credits?

And I'd be surprised if it went for as low as $150k.

I don't think it qualifies for any CA tax credits. Also, there's a 50k penalty (to Tesla) for selling within the first year and not giving them first right of refusal (at a loss).

 

[Cybertruck2024]

CA Tax credits?

And I'd be surprised if it went for as low as $150k.

The original post is talking about Ferrari and Lambo, which make around 5k and 10k vehicles per annum, respectively. The ramp on CT is hopeful to be at a run rate of 250k per annum by the end or 2025. Even at today's production numbers, it is easy to see CT doubling Ferrari and Lambo production combined in 2024. The vin tracking thread estimates annual production of 17k today, that's before any real ramp, this is the start of production.

Will the very first resold CT get some crazy amount? It might. Do you have your truck already? If not, then you won't be the first reseller.

If the first reseller gets $200k for his CT, what do you think happens with supply and demand? Now the 20k people who own a CT sees this, if Tesla is lenient on their resale clause, they are selling too. Now supply > demand and that first sale is a unicorn.

This happens with mass produced collectible sales all the time. Look at sealed video game sales for a numerically similar comparison. Sealed games were selling for high six and low seven figures. They've depreciated I'm many cases 90% in one year. Why? Mass produced goods depreciate, the supply of sellers came out to collect some cash too. Save this and tell me "I told you so" if I'm wrong. I won't be.

 

[Cold.Truth]

pretty disappointed at the CB's built quality. That alcantara dash looks like its straight out of west coast customs

To be fair, I think he said it was a pre-production model, right? Or did I hear that wrong? I agree that the dash trim was terrible. I would refuse delivery or accept but have it repaired under warranty. I did that with my Model 3 in Rocklin, CA when I took delivery and the hood needed a minor alignment tweak. They fixed it the following weekend, no problem. Cheers.

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