Should Tesla introduce a "CyberSUV"?

[webspeedracer]

I don't need to ask the lead Engineer of Cybertruck on X because I have a video recorded after FSD came to the Cybertruck in which Wes Morrill blows your false narrative out of the water. If the lead engineer says the super strong stainless steel acts as an exoskeleton, then I don't need to ask him on X. I've even time-stamped the video for you:



To be clear, he didn't say they had to drop the exoskeleton concept, he said it was an exoskeleton. Just what is it that you don't understand about that?

Also, Wes's boss, Lars Moravy, said the same thing (post Cybertruck release) in a public video (but I'm not going to hunt that one down for you). The thick stainless steel sail panels are what give the Cybertruck it's superior payload capacity. There is no doubt the panels are structural. You are simply full of shit pushing a false narrative. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but when you attribute things to the engineers at Tesla that they never said (in fact they say the opposite), I'm going to call you out on it. I've corrected your misinformation before, but you keep repeating it as if saying it enough times will make it true. The actual engineers who created it disagree with you.



I strongly disagree with you on this (but recognize it's a matter of opinion which should have come first, the 3 or the Y). IMO, Musk's decision to bring the more efficient sedan to market first was brilliant. This allowed them to exceed 300 miles of range with only a 75 kWh battery (which would not have been possible if the Y was first). The Model 3 also brought them to profitability and allowed them to follow up with a refined and enlarged version (the Model Y) which then became the best-selling car in the world. Always do your "testing" on the lower volume model, if possible, and then follow up with the knockout punch. You can't argue with the best-selling car in the world, gas or electric, for two years in a row (and on-track to make it three).



I don't think anything prevents them from making a CyberSUV. If they did, I would want to see it with another stainless steel exoskeleton. For it to be a derivative of the Cybertruck, it would need the super hard steel shell (or an entirely new chassis). But I don't get to decide the most productive way to spend Tesla's monetary and intellectual capital, that's the job of the CEO.



Tesla only has so much intellectual capital (not to mention monetary capital). Musk has made the decision to make Tesla more than a dominant car company. Car companies tend to be low margin businesses but the opportunities in AI, robocab networks, humanoid robots and grid scale energy storage systems dwarf that of the auto industry. So do the potential profits. These industries can also speed the transition away from fossil fuels faster than simply becoming the dominant automaker. It looks like Elon is leaving some crumbs for legacy auto, and startups like Rivian (if they don't fail first), as Tesla pivots towards more interesting and lucrative industries with more growth and profit potential. Elon is too brilliant to only build cars and rockets.

When you are the CEO of such a company, then, and only then, do you get to direct how they grow and what industries they enter.



Ha-ha! When you run a company as successful as Tesla, send me a private message and let me know that you have made it! Until then, leave the big decisions of the world's most successful companies to the big dogs (in this case the man whose vision created that success). Tesla's best days are ahead of them. You ain't seen nothing yet. You stay in the peanut gallery throwing peanut shells at Musk. He's used to it, but he follows his own path. The naysayers don't derail him, they egg him on! If it makes you happy to pretend to have better business vision than Musk, that's your superpower, LOL!

Woah, way too much vitriol in those posts towards my thinking on the subject, HaulingAss. Granted I shouldn’t have reopened the exoskeleton debate as it’s been as nauseum on this forum but people smarter than I. But you attribute malice to me that simply isn’t true. I’m posting my opinions and thoughts as a longtime investor, longtime owner, love my CT, and huge fan of Lars Moravy and Wes Morrill. Also fan of many other great minds at Tesla who have a departed whom I wish could have stayed to guide the ship. And, longtime defender of Elon Musk despite his imperfections and misguided political forays.
So attack me as you may, (I’ve been pushing misinformation?!? ) my armchair opinion stands; I believe Tesla could and should build an SUV on the CT chassis, and I think it would be a resounding success. If that makes steam come out of your ears than you have bigger issues to worry about.
Have a nice evening.

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[HaulingAss]

Woah, way too much vitriol in those posts towards my thinking on the subject, HaulingAss. Granted I shouldn’t have reopened the exoskeleton debate as it’s been as nauseum on this forum but people smarter than I. But you attribute malice to me that simply isn’t true. I’m posting my opinions and thoughts as a longtime investor, longtime owner, love my CT, and huge fan of Lars Moravy and Wes Morrill. Also fan of many other great minds at Tesla who have a departed whom I wish could have stayed to guide the ship. And, longtime defender of Elon Musk despite his imperfections and misguided political forays.
So attack me as you may, (I’ve been pushing misinformation?!? ) my armchair opinion stands; I believe Tesla could and should build an SUV on the CT chassis, and I think it would be a resounding success. If that makes steam come out of your ears than you have bigger issues to worry about.
Have a nice evening.

I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your false claim that the lead Cybertruck engineer said they had to give up on the exoskeleton concept. In fact, he still says it's an exoskeleton. I've corrected you numerous times on this fact but you keep repeating the same lie. It's tiring.

We need fewer people spreading false claims and more people telling the truth. I'm also calling you out for telling us your decisions are better than Elon Musk's. Don't tell us you could run a company better, show us that it's true. We need more people starting and running companies like Musk. Words are just words. Elon's actions and successes speak for themselves.

 

[ThatGuyBo]

I don't need to ask the lead Engineer of Cybertruck on X because I have a video recorded after FSD came to the Cybertruck in which Wes Morrill blows your false narrative out of the water. If the lead engineer says the super strong stainless steel acts as an exoskeleton, then I don't need to ask him on X. I've even time-stamped the video for you:



To be clear, he didn't say they had to drop the exoskeleton concept, he said it was an exoskeleton. Just what is it that you don't understand about that?

Also, Wes's boss, Lars Moravy, said the same thing (post Cybertruck release) in a public video (but I'm not going to hunt that one down for you). The thick stainless steel sail panels are what give the Cybertruck it's superior payload capacity. There is no doubt the panels are structural. You are simply full of shit pushing a false narrative. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but when you attribute things to the engineers at Tesla that they never said (in fact they say the opposite), I'm going to call you out on it. I've corrected your misinformation before, but you keep repeating it as if saying it enough times will make it true. The actual engineers who created it disagree with you.



I strongly disagree with you on this (but recognize it's a matter of opinion which should have come first, the 3 or the Y). IMO, Musk's decision to bring the more efficient sedan to market first was brilliant. This allowed them to exceed 300 miles of range with only a 75 kWh battery (which would not have been possible if the Y was first). The Model 3 also brought them to profitability and allowed them to follow up with a refined and enlarged version (the Model Y) which then became the best-selling car in the world. Always do your "testing" on the lower volume model, if possible, and then follow up with the knockout punch. You can't argue with the best-selling car in the world, gas or electric, for two years in a row (and on-track to make it three).



I don't think anything prevents them from making a CyberSUV. If they did, I would want to see it with another stainless steel exoskeleton. For it to be a derivative of the Cybertruck, it would need the super hard steel shell (or an entirely new chassis). But I don't get to decide the most productive way to spend Tesla's monetary and intellectual capital, that's the job of the CEO.



Tesla only has so much intellectual capital (not to mention monetary capital). Musk has made the decision to make Tesla more than a dominant car company. Car companies tend to be low margin businesses but the opportunities in AI, robocab networks, humanoid robots and grid scale energy storage systems dwarf that of the auto industry. So do the potential profits. These industries can also speed the transition away from fossil fuels faster than simply becoming the dominant automaker. It looks like Elon is leaving some crumbs for legacy auto, and startups like Rivian (if they don't fail first), as Tesla pivots towards more interesting and lucrative industries with more growth and profit potential. Elon is too brilliant to only build cars and rockets.

When you are the CEO of such a company, then, and only then, do you get to direct how they grow and what industries they enter.



Ha-ha! When you run a company as successful as Tesla, send me a private message and let me know that you have made it! Until then, leave the big decisions of the world's most successful companies to the big dogs (in this case the man whose vision created that success). Tesla's best days are ahead of them. You ain't seen nothing yet. You stay in the peanut gallery throwing peanut shells at Musk. He's used to it, but he follows his own path. The naysayers don't derail him, they egg him on! If it makes you happy to pretend to have better business vision than Musk, that's your superpower, LOL!

lol that video provides no context.
That’s not a source for any information.
You cry about facts and sources but never provide any. The patent took 10 seconds to find…

Wes does not discuss payload in relation to the exoskeleton in that video, just briefly alludes to crash loads and durability. They can call it whatever they’d like, but the patent tells us what it is and what it does. And, it does not do what you just claimed.

You claim “The thick stainless steel sail panels are what give the Cybertruck its superior payload capacity. There is no doubt the panels are structural.”

The patent does not define any of that, its function is crash loads, torsional stiffness, and being a durable outer skin.

If it at all was body on skin or increased payload it would be included in the patent. Stating otherwise is a blatant lie, but I know you like to do that

https://uspto.report/patent/app/20210155292

Lars does not support your claim here:

Are you going to provide the evidence you claim exists that contradicts the patent above? Or will you just dodge, attack, and make more false claims while providing no actual evidence? Lol when asked, you never provide the facts for the things you cry about other people getting wrong. Wasn’t that what happened when discussing the patent for the steel? You claimed it was 304, never provided a source. I provided the patent showing its composition that puts it more inline with 301 but you know nothing about metallurgy, so you just dodged

Unless you provide evidence actually supporting your claims not just useless vague quotes, there’s zero use in discussing this further.

I’ll come back once you provide actual information supporting your claims.


TLDR;
Provide actual sources
Provide actual information

but you won’t, will you? Keep protecting that soft little ego

 

[HaulingAss]

lol that video provides no context.
That’s not a source for any information.
You cry about facts and sources but never provide any. The patent took 10 seconds to find…

Wes does not discuss payload in relation to the exoskeleton in that video, just briefly alludes to crash loads and durability. They can call it whatever they’d like, but the patent tells us what it is and what it does. And, it does not do what you just claimed.

You claim “The thick stainless steel sail panels are what give the Cybertruck its superior payload capacity. There is no doubt the panels are structural.”

The patent does not define any of that, its function is crash loads, torsional stiffness, and being a durable outer skin.

If it at all was body on skin or increased payload it would be included in the patent. Stating otherwise is a blatant lie, but I know you like to do that

https://uspto.report/patent/app/20210155292

Lars does not support your claim here:

Are you going to provide the evidence you claim exists that contradicts the patent above? Or will you just dodge, attack, and make more false claims while providing no actual evidence? Lol when asked, you never provide the facts for the things you cry about other people getting wrong. Wasn’t that what happened when discussing the patent for the steel? You claimed it was 304, never provided a source. I provided the patent showing its composition that puts it more inline with 301 but you know nothing about metallurgy, so you just dodged

Unless you provide evidence actually supporting your claims not just useless vague quotes, there’s zero use in discussing this further.

I’ll come back once you provide actual information supporting your claims.


TLDR;
Provide actual sources
Provide actual information

but you won’t, will you? Keep protecting that soft little ego

In the video you linked, Lars says the panels are part of the exoskeleton. The earlier claim I objected to was the false claim that Tesla said they had to abandon their idea of using an exoskeleton. Clearly they did not give up on the exoskeleton if Lars and Wes keep talking about the exoskeleton!

You must think we are all a bunch of idiots!

You want more actual sources and evidence? Those who think Tesla abandoned the idea of the exoskeleton because they went from 3.0 mm panels to 1.8mm and 1.4mm panels need to watch this:



It's explained that the engineering team worked to make the chosen material stronger, that they were able to increase the strength to achieve their target strength with 1.4mm and 1.8mm instead of the 3mm panels they thought they would originally need.

And here's a short video on X where Lars explains the triangular shape on the rear gives the Cybertruck a lot of stiffness in the rear that other trucks don't have:

(1) Mario Nawfal on X: "LARS MORAVY: CYBERTRUCK PICKUP? NO, THINK MCLAREN P1 “The triangular shape on the rear gives it a lot of stiffness in the body that most trucks don’t have. I think the stiffness is north of 40 kilonewtons per degree. For reference, that’s the same as a McLaren P1. When you https://t.co/RSm1gkom7U" / X


Lars Moravy, head of vehicle engineering at Tesla, has explained multiple times how the Cybertruck's stainless steel exoskeleton contributes to its structural rigidity. The design leverages the ultra-hard, cold-rolled stainless steel panels as load-bearing elements, allowing Tesla to reduce internal framing while achieving supercar-level torsional stiffness (around 45 kN·m/degree). This exoskeleton approach enhances overall body rigidity, with elements like the sail panels adding up to 25% to the torsional strength.

I've provided this evidence before, but the Elon haters keep denying reality. It's sad the way they try to change reality to fit their preconceived notions, even when the reality of it is staring them right in the face. This forum is filled with these kinds of false anti-Tesla narratives, repeated endlessly. Just sad.

 

[hemiarch]

This thread stopped being fun many hours ago.
Peace. I’ll be back later if you guys actually want to talk about pointy stainless steel SUV’s.

 

[REM]

TLDR;
Provide actual sources
Provide actual information

but you won’t, will you? Keep protecting that soft little ego

He already did, you are just choosing to ignore them. If you remove the stainless steel panels from the truck, it would lose all of it's amazing, best in class stiffness.

Verdict: exoskeleton

 

[ThatGuyBo]

For anyone reading this,

Just keep in mind his original claim of payload increase. Now note how this is not addressed at all and his argument changes.

In the video you linked, Lars says the panels are part of the exoskeleton. The earlier claim I objected to was the false claim that Tesla said they had to abandon their idea of using an exoskeleton. Clearly they did not give up on the exoskeleton if Lars and Wes keep talking about the exoskeleton!

You must think we are all a bunch of idiots!

You want more actual sources and evidence? Those who think Tesla abandoned the idea of the exoskeleton because they went from 3.0 mm panels to 1.8mm and 1.4mm panels need to watch this:



It's explained that the engineering team worked to make the chosen material stronger, that they were able to increase the strength to achieve their target strength with 1.4mm and 1.8mm instead of the 3mm panels they thought they would originally need.

And here's a short video on X where Lars explains the triangular shape on the rear gives the Cybertruck a lot of stiffness in the rear that other trucks don't have:

(1) Mario Nawfal on X: "LARS MORAVY: CYBERTRUCK PICKUP? NO, THINK MCLAREN P1 “The triangular shape on the rear gives it a lot of stiffness in the body that most trucks don’t have. I think the stiffness is north of 40 kilonewtons per degree. For reference, that’s the same as a McLaren P1. When you https://t.co/RSm1gkom7U" / X


Lars Moravy, head of vehicle engineering at Tesla, has explained multiple times how the Cybertruck's stainless steel exoskeleton contributes to its structural rigidity. The design leverages the ultra-hard, cold-rolled stainless steel panels as load-bearing elements, allowing Tesla to reduce internal framing while achieving supercar-level torsional stiffness (around 45 kN·m/degree). This exoskeleton approach enhances overall body rigidity, with elements like the sail panels adding up to 25% to the torsional strength.

I've provided this evidence before, but the Elon haters keep denying reality. It's sad the way they try to change reality to fit their preconceived notions, even when the reality of it is staring them right in the face. This forum is filled with these kinds of false anti-Tesla narratives, repeated endlessly. Just sad.

None of this increases payload as you claimed. Nothing he discusses addresses your claim. You’re really grasping here. Pretty telling how you keep using these irrelevant clips. Keep providing “sources” that don’t directly support your claim, it’s very telling that you don’t know how to source/cite information. Ironic with how emotional you get over “facts”.

The patent is all you should need to back up your claim. Why can’t you do that? lol Maybe ask Grok or ChatGPT for help because clearly you have zero idea what you are trying to discuss.

lol Nice try though.

Spend less time work on your ability to source information?

TLDR; Did exactly what I said, avoided providing evidence directly supporting your claim and did not address the patent.

He already did, you are just choosing to ignore them. If you remove the stainless steel panels from the truck, it would lose all of it's amazing, best in class stiffness.

Verdict: exoskeleton

To make this extremely easy for you:
His claim was it increased payload capacity.

Your reading comprehension is pretty poor lol. None of what he provided addressed his claim of payload increase. The patent is all that is needed for this discussion. It does not support his claim. End of discussion

Pretty telling when you two need to twist, turn, and can’t acknowledge you don’t understand the patent or the difference between a hybrid semi-monocoque and a monocoque desi

Neither of you two can address the actual claim, which is it is a hybrid semi-monocoque design. It does not increase the payload.

Seeing as neither of you can back up the direct claim, one of you can’t even read, there is zero use in discussing this further on my end. You not only proved my point but did exactly what I said you would.

Facts over feelings right? Unless it doesn’t agree with you.

Keep on coping

 

[REM]

For anyone reading this,

Just keep in mind his original claim of payload increase. Now note how this is not addressed at all and his argument changes.



None of this increases payload as you claimed. Nothing he discusses addresses your claim. You’re really grasping here. Pretty telling how you keep using these irrelevant clips. Keep providing “sources” that don’t directly support your claim, it’s very telling that you don’t know how to source/cite information. Ironic with how emotional you get over “facts”.

The patent is all you should need to back up your claim. Why can’t you do that? lol Maybe ask Grok or ChatGPT for help because clearly you have zero idea what you are trying to discuss.

lol Nice try though.

Spend less time work on your ability to source information?

TLDR; Did exactly what I said, avoided providing evidence directly supporting your claim and did not address the patent.




To make this extremely easy for you:
His claim was it increased payload capacity.

Your reading comprehension is pretty poor lol. None of what he provided addressed his claim of payload increase. The patent is all that is needed for this discussion. It does not support his claim. End of discussion

Pretty telling when you two need to twist, turn, and can’t acknowledge you don’t understand the patent or the difference between a hybrid semi-monocoque and a monocoque desi

Neither of you two can address the actual claim, which is it is a hybrid semi-monocoque design. It does not increase the payload.

Seeing as neither of you can back up the direct claim, one of you can’t even read, there is zero use in discussing this further on my end. You not only proved my point but did exactly what I said you would.

Facts over feelings right? Unless it doesn’t agree with you.

Keep on coping

Patents never provide technical enough data for a technical analysis of a product. You seem to not understand this, which leads me to believe you have no idea what you are talking about. They only include the absolute bare minimum architectural definitions in order to cover legally protected designs.

Also, I don't need to backup claims that you are attempting to make. You should be making your own arguments.

 

[HaulingAss]

This thread stopped being fun many hours ago.
Peace. I’ll be back later if you guys actually want to talk about pointy stainless steel SUV’s.

True. It got derailed when someone suggested the CyberSUV should abandon the hard frickin' steel panels because they had to abandon Cybertruck's exoskeleton concept anyway. They said that the CyberSUV should have beautiful curvy panels.

Of course then it wouldn't be a "Cyber" SUV would it!

 

[hemiarch]

True. It got derailed when someone suggested the CyberSUV should abandon the hard frickin' steel panels because they had to abandon Cybertruck's exoskeleton concept anyway. They said that the CyberSUV should have beautiful curvy panels.

Of course then it wouldn't be a "Cyber" SUV would it!

True. I’d be willing to buy a full size suv that is a big ass model x with steer by wire too though.
I just think they are missing out on a lot of buyers. The people who buy the Escalade IQ and such. Arguably the Hummer too but that overlaps the truck a little as well.
They also happen to be buyers with lots of money to spend.
Pointy and exoskeletonous or not, there is a likely profitable niche there.

 

[HaulingAss]

Are modern homes built with small garages? CT is already too short for an 8’ bed.

Nobody buys 8-foot bed half-tons anymore (about 5% or less of total 2024 sales). Dodge Ram dropped the 8-foot bed option last year. Crew cab 1/2 tons are not available with an 8-foot bed from any manufacturer I'm aware of. With Ford you have to go down to a Supercab to get an 8-foot bed (and a Supercab is a LOT smaller than Cybertruck's crew cab).

8-foot beds didn't go away because the manufacturer's don't like 8-foot beds, they went away because almost no one wants to buy them!

 

[bg002h]

Nobody buys 8-foot bed half-tons anymore (about 5% or less of total 2024 sales). Dodge Ram dropped the 8-foot bed option last year. Crew cab 1/2 tons are not available with an 8-foot bed from any manufacturer I'm aware of. With Ford you have to go down to a Supercab to get an 8-foot bed (and a Supercab is a LOT smaller than Cybertruck's crew cab).

8-foot beds didn't go away because the manufacturer's don't like 8-foot beds, they went away because almost no one wants to buy them!

I honestly wonder if garages got smaller. I put a 12 ft ladder in my 2008 kia Sedona and shut the back gate and drove home from Home Depot…this isn’t so easy in the vehicle that replaced my Kia…CT can’t pass anything into the cab from the bed.

 

[HaulingAss]

I honestly wonder if garages got smaller. I put a 12 ft ladder in my 2008 kia Sedona and shut the back gate and drove home from Home Depot…this isn’t so easy in the vehicle that replaced my Kia…CT can’t pass anything into the cab from the bed.

It's just as easy to put a 12 foot ladder flat in a 6-foot bed as it is in an 8 foot bed. Either way you have to tie it to the bed (or put it on a rack) and put a red flag on the end of it so someone doesn't drive into it.

That 2 extra feet is not that important to most truck buyers which is why 8-foot beds sell in such small numbers.

 

[webspeedracer]

In the video you linked, Lars says the panels are part of the exoskeleton. The earlier claim I objected to was the false claim that Tesla said they had to abandon their idea of using an exoskeleton. Clearly they did not give up on the exoskeleton if Lars and Wes keep talking about the exoskeleton!

You must think we are all a bunch of idiots!

You want more actual sources and evidence? Those who think Tesla abandoned the idea of the exoskeleton because they went from 3.0 mm panels to 1.8mm and 1.4mm panels need to watch this:



It's explained that the engineering team worked to make the chosen material stronger, that they were able to increase the strength to achieve their target strength with 1.4mm and 1.8mm instead of the 3mm panels they thought they would originally need.

And here's a short video on X where Lars explains the triangular shape on the rear gives the Cybertruck a lot of stiffness in the rear that other trucks don't have:

(1) Mario Nawfal on X: "LARS MORAVY: CYBERTRUCK PICKUP? NO, THINK MCLAREN P1 “The triangular shape on the rear gives it a lot of stiffness in the body that most trucks don’t have. I think the stiffness is north of 40 kilonewtons per degree. For reference, that’s the same as a McLaren P1. When you https://t.co/RSm1gkom7U" / X


Lars Moravy, head of vehicle engineering at Tesla, has explained multiple times how the Cybertruck's stainless steel exoskeleton contributes to its structural rigidity. The design leverages the ultra-hard, cold-rolled stainless steel panels as load-bearing elements, allowing Tesla to reduce internal framing while achieving supercar-level torsional stiffness (around 45 kN·m/degree). This exoskeleton approach enhances overall body rigidity, with elements like the sail panels adding up to 25% to the torsional strength.

I've provided this evidence before, but the Elon haters keep denying reality. It's sad the way they try to change reality to fit their preconceived notions, even when the reality of it is staring them right in the face. This forum is filled with these kinds of false anti-Tesla narratives, repeated endlessly. Just sad.

Bro I’m with @hemiarch, this was a fun speculative thread until you guys started flexing your “exo-knowledge” …@HaulingAss you are so high on your own opinions, ejaculating comments all over the forums, that you’re missing the whole point of this thread while you’re accusing longtime Tesla owners/investors (and fellow CT owners) like me of being heretics. Who made you the arbiter of truth on this forum, and why is your opinion gospel?
As a reminder, OP asked if Tesla would ever do a CyberSUV and laid out several valid reasons why it could work. This was going to be a discussion of that topic.. I concurred with him that its a good idea, iterated my belief it could be done on the existing platform, but I apparently triggered several of you with the exoskeleton rabbit hole, and you guys can’t wrap your heads around a differing opinion on that point, so much so that you’re oblivious to idea that exo or not exo is besides the point. The point was whether Tesla would ever consider doing a CyberSUV? And, we are now fortunate to have evidence that Franz did think it possible and Tesla could do it if they wanted to:

And while I’m waiting for an apology for accusing me of lying and spreading misinformation (I’ll wait for your evidence of that ), @HaulingAss eat crow, bro!

Also suggestion: try being nicer to your fellow Cybertruck owners while you’re at it. We’re all in this together, often exhaustively defending/advocating for CT in the real world, and this place of refuge where we all come to share/learn will be a lot more fun if you weren’t so damned overbearing with the truth-flexing. And the personal attacks are unwarranted, too. I know that there are trolls spreading FUD constantly (I’ve been advocating for & defending Tesla since pre-IPO, and as an owner for a decade), but your hater-radar needs to be recalibrated.
Have a nice evening.

 

[HaulingAss]

That myth was debunked, ask Wes Morrill on X. The exoskeleton method was shelved and the panels are hung on the truck just like a steel or aluminum skinned vehicle.

Clearly false, as I have shown using actual evidence.

Exoskeleton was never shelved by Tesla, it's the concept underlying the Cybertruck. It's not my problem if you insist on spreading fake narratives that Tesla "shelved the exoskeleton concept". No, I don't have to eat crow because you were attributing words and ideas to Wes Morrill that he never said.

What is absolutely true is that Tesla said they have no new models planned on the exoskeleton concept so, if you are hoping for a "CyberSUV", you are unlikely to see one soon. Sure, they could change their minds and develop a CyberSUV, but I think it unlikely. That leaves the Cybertruck standing tall as the only example of a tough, no-nonsense exoskeleton vehicle in Tesla's lineup, for at least as far as the eye can see.

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