Solar Oasis - Roadhouse to Camel Trough

[Deleted member 3316]

I sounds like you have never heard of the TESLA super charger network.

Sounds like you didn’t read or understand the OP.

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[Deleted member 3316]

https://www.tesla.com/en_au/supercharger
Be patient they will come.

It’s gonna be a long wait for a Tesla to justify a supercharger at Tjirrkarli or Watarru.

 

[HAL GALLUS]

Sounds like you didn’t read or understand the OP.

wat is the OP?

 

[Deleted member 3316]

wat is the OP?

Original post.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Australia is notoriously the oldest, flattest continent on the planet with the lowest hills, and also one of the driest.

I did some calculations for using my place with micro pumped hydro a few years back, and even though we have a reasonable 160ft terrain height difference on our 1800acres, we still needed 1800cbm (475,000gallons) for a single 130kWh charge. The required tank size alone was considerably more costly that a battery pack, let alone for two tanks that you need to recycle the water, to not waste it.

So you really need to find the trifecta for making hydro work, being height, water and easy storage.

Could use an old mine shaft… concrete block gravity storage could work. Batteries are pretty competitive with many of these energy storage alternatives.

 

[HAL GALLUS]

It’s gonna be a long wait for a Tesla to justify a supercharger at Tjirrkarli or Watarru.

Yes, I did not know he was in Australia.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Yes, I did not know he was in Australia.

The point of the post was to investigate solutions to remote charging scenarios.

Are there places in the world that are 800+Km away from anything resembling grid scale electricity. These edge cases are not going to be dealt with very quickly, but there will be adventurers pushing the boundaries.

What are the non fossil fuel powered solutions that could facilitate these trips?

Is there a place in your part of the world that you would like to see a remote charging solution?

 

[Deleted member 3316]

you need topography and a water source.

Is there a place you’d like to see this implemented?

 

[SparkChaser]

I am in the planning stages of building a Retirment home. I want solar but I may be in a an area with limited sun. Redwood forest, so I want alternatives or additions to solar. I read about water batteries like this. Solar pumps water when you have more than you need, after topping off any batteries and provides long term static back up. You can use rain water, gravity fed or streams with micro water turbine to generate a charge or low voltage things like LEDs and such. Just seems like having a diversified mix of ways to produce electricity.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

I am in the planning stages of building a Retirment home. I want solar but I may be in a an area with limited sun. Redwood forest, so I want alternatives or additions to solar. I read about water batteries like this. Solar pumps water when you have more than you need, after topping off any batteries and provides long term static back up. You can use rain water, gravity fed or streams with micro water turbine to generate a charge or low voltage things like LEDs and such. Just seems like having a diversified mix of ways to produce electricity.

Interesting, not really the topic here though.

Is your retirement home out of the range of the charging network? You could offset your energy costs by providing charging to travellers .

 

[JBee]

Yes, I did not know he was in Australia.

The main problem with Australia is its low population, and that nearly all of the population lives on the coast, and most on the east coast in multi-million people cities. That means the interior is empty of both people and infrastructure, both requirements to make Superchargers viable. Even if you setup a "charity supercharger" in these locations, right now you can't really expect any EV's at all, simply because there are no off-road capable EVs here, let alone ones with enough range to even get to the beginning of some of the tracks.

Overall, a containerised solution, with foldout solar, that is movable to follow demand would make sense, and could be deployed in certain seasons. The trick would be to have one fixed with a minimum setup for charging, but that add extra containers to add capacity.

Otherwise a solar canopy for shade for people to park under, and get a few V2G/V2V EVs for charging other EV's.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

The main problem with Australia is its low population, and that nearly all of the population lives on the coast, and most on the east coast in multi-million people cities. That means the interior is empty of both people and infrastructure, both requirements to make Superchargers viable. Even if you setup a "charity supercharger" in these locations, right now you can't really expect any EV's at all, simply because there are no off-road capable EVs here, let alone ones with enough range to even get to the beginning of some of the tracks.

Overall, a containerised solution, with foldout solar, that is movable to follow demand would make sense, and could be deployed in certain seasons. The trick would be to have one fixed with a minimum setup for charging, but that add extra containers to add capacity.

Otherwise a solar canopy for shade for people to park under, and get a few V2G/V2V EVs for charging other EV's.

That’s an interesting solution in the short term. I’m guessing for large events in remote areas will require a solution like this.

 

[Crissa]

The main problem with Australia is its low population, and that nearly all of the population lives on the coast, and most on the east coast in multi-million people cities. That means the interior is empty of both people and infrastructure, both requirements to make Superchargers viable. Even if you setup a "charity supercharger" in these locations, right now you can't really expect any EV's at all, simply because there are no off-road capable EVs here, let alone ones with enough range to even get to the beginning of some of the tracks.

Overall, a containerised solution, with foldout solar, that is movable to follow demand would make sense, and could be deployed in certain seasons. The trick would be to have one fixed with a minimum setup for charging, but that add extra containers to add capacity.

Otherwise a solar canopy for shade for people to park under, and get a few V2G/V2V EVs for charging other EV's.

There's this thing called 'Public infrastructure' and 'government'. Maybe you should, I dunno, band together to make sure these are available when you need them?

Like, not everything has to be individually profitable.

I understand that's an amazing and political statement.

-Crissa

 

[Deleted member 3316]

I think autonomous oncall mobile charging platforms which service remote but accessible areas could be a possibility within the next 5 years.

What’s the business case for those though.

It’s going to be a pretty poor investment waiting for the coal rollers to transition whilst they bitterly complain about the paucity of infrastructure for their unique edge case or once in a lifetime trip.

They are going to be needed but making the case for subsidies and grants will require an orchestrated effort.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

There's this thing called 'Public infrastructure' and 'government'. Maybe you should, I dunno, band together to make sure these are available when you need them?

Like, not everything has to be individually profitable.

I understand that's an amazing an political statement.

-Crissa

After last week with you and Ogre pilling on labeling my captain obvious posts as condescending, I would have thought you would abstain from such hypocrisy.

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