This is no different than any other modern unibody vehicle. Even trucks wouldn't be immune to this; frame damage is lethal. At least to modern safety standards.Is anyone else concerned about all four upper control arms mounting directly to the gigacasts? If these crack from a higher sideswipe or t-bone, then the cast is toast; these high-stress areas cannot be repaired. ...
EXCEPT that Tesla has already said the castings are EASIER to fix than the OEM welded parts. They make jigs to cut the casting at a given location and there are already cast replacement parts to attach and go. Don’t think like the OEMs, think outside the box.Is anyone else concerned about all four upper control arms mounting directly to the gigacasts? If these crack from a higher sideswipe or t-bone, then the cast is toast; these high-stress areas cannot be repaired. The center and inboard portions of the rails cannot be sectioned on Model Y's; neither can the strut towers, Cybertrucks will be the same. I wish Tesla did massive front and rear cradles that uppers and lowers attached to. Hopefully, they've engineered those uppers to collapse if impacted laterally. The repairability of these trucks is my biggest concern of all; everything else should be gravy... Can't wait to see the teardown and how they hold up during moderate accidents, should have about a year of production to find out before my number gets pulled... lol
There must be A reason. The M3 and MY uses different glass for the front doors and the rear doors and rear window. (The M3+ changes this). If they use different glass for the front and rear doors, how does your assumption carry over to a completely different vehicle? Using different glass for front and rear makes some sense, as being different sizes, there is no commonality cost savings to make the front and rear the same glass. The holds true for the CT even more! The roof is obviously a different glass, as is the windshield. Again, there is NO evidence that the CT and the Y share any glass. Supposition is not evidence. But there IS some evidence to show they are different. Do you really, REALLY think they would have tried the window trick on stage if they knew it would break? Do you really, REALLY think they would even TRY that stunt with a MY? There are dozens of discussions here and elsewhere as to why the window stunt failed at the reveal.Tesla is all about efficiency and lowering costs. I don’t see any reason they would use a different type of glass their vehicles. The model Y was the first to get the dual pane and it appears to be spreading to the other models. It’s only logical (to me) that the cybertruck will get the same glass.
One of my F150s is being fixed right now from a front loader reversing right into it. The one in question is gas. Dont know if one of the lightnings would be different Getting a new frame, rear axle and left bedside.This is no different than any other modern unibody vehicle. Even trucks wouldn't be immune to this; frame damage is lethal. At least to modern safety standards.
-Crissa
Block the dust.. from entering a truck bed?Damn that guy really got his phone up in there, he probably does proctology on the side.
That gap at the tailgate is a pretty good size. Hopefully there'll be a way to block the dust out from entering
‘Yes, I do. My theory is that Tesla was already testing the reinforced dual pane windows back when the Cybertruck was first shown. I believe they were developed to make vehicles quieter, and perhaps a bit safer. I think that the windows turned out to be significantly stronger, so they devised the plan to show them off using this steel balls. now, I believe that all of the side windows, and maybe even the back window will end up using this reinforced dual pane glass. I suspect that the only reason that all Teslas vehicles are not using his glass currently is that the supply is not available yet.Do you really, REALLY think they would have tried the window trick on stage if they knew it would break? Do you really, REALLY think they would even TRY that stunt with a MY?
Yeah, there's no definitive info here, which is where you'd want to look.As for evidence, no, I don’t have any hard evidence, only logic. I also don’t have any evidence that the cyber trucks windows will be any different From the current reinforced dual pane windows being used in the model Y.
I agree that all the S3XY line-up will use this dual pane laminated glass on all the windows (except windshield). Safer, harder to break into, quieter. BUT when they announced the CT, they didn’t call it “laminated”, they called it “Armor”. Even mentioned “transparent metal” and “flat geometry”. (He never says the glass is bulletproof) And they had laminated glass. So until I see something that convinces me otherwise, I’m going to go with the CT having different glass than the S3XY models. You are free to make all the assumptions you have, and that’s ok. Nothing personal here from me. But EM talked about how he hates that promises made with the prototypes, and the final product is nothing like it. I’m going to believe the guy with all the control and money is going to have it his way, until there is some viable evidence to prove otherwise. In my mind, to assume anything else, is to bet against the house. And the house almost always wins.‘Yes, I do. My theory is that Tesla was already testing. The reinforced dual pane windows back when the cybertruck was first shown. I believe they were developed to make vehicles quieter, and perhaps a bit safer. I think that the windows turned out to be significantly stronger, so they devised the plan to show them off using this steel balls. now, I believe that all of the side windows, and maybe even the back window will end up using this reinforced dual pane glass. I suspect that the only reason that all Teslas vehicles are not using his glass currently is that the supply is not available yet.
As for evidence, no, I don’t have any hard evidence, only logic. I also don’t have any evidence that the cyber trucks windows will be any different From the current reinforced dual pane windows being used in the model Y.
I do believe the cybertruck will share the same extra-strong front windshield technology that is touted to be used in the semi.
I believe the armor and transparent metal comments only referred to the windshield. I could very well be wrong, but that’s my understanding. Cybertruck and Semi will (or do) share this same windshield glass. Time will tell.I agree that all the S3XY line-up will use this dual pane laminated glass on all the windows (except windshield). Safer, harder to break into, quieter. BUT when they announced the CT, they didn’t call it “laminated”, they called it “Armor”. Even mentioned “transparent metal” and “flat geometry”. (He never says the glass is bulletproof) And they had laminated glass. So until I see something that convinces me otherwise, I’m going to go with the CT having different glass than the S3XY models. You are free to make all the assumptions you have, and that’s ok. Nothing personal here from me. But EM talked about how he hates that promises made with the prototypes, and the final product is nothing like it. I’m going to believe the guy with all the control and money is going to have it his way, until there is some viable evidence to prove otherwise. In my mind, to assume anything else, is to bet against the house. And the house almost always wins.
EXCEPT that Tesla has already said the castings are EASIER to fix than the OEM welded parts. They make jigs to cut the casting at a given location and there are already cast replacement parts to attach and go. Don’t think like the OEMs, think outside the box.
Yes and no, there are subframes out there that incorporate the mounting locations for the uppers. I'm not sure what lethal refers to, but frame damage is repaired on a regular basis (see Tesla's procedures for M Y). As mentioned, there are high-stress areas that OEM repair guidelines do not allow to be repaired. The upper control arm mounts will not be repairable as far as I can see. I work with Tesla's body shops on a frequent enough basis and will get to see how these trucks are holding up in real-world wrecks. Seeing these in the shop and at the auction yards will be extremely interesting. Crash tests simulate only a small portion of the scenarios that happen in the wild.This is no different than any other modern unibody vehicle. Even trucks wouldn't be immune to this; frame damage is lethal. At least to modern safety standards.
-Crissa