Waymo will beat Tesla FSD because of LIDAR

[Crissa]

Tesla vision gives incorrect distance data right now. You've posted in the threads where park assist has messed up. People drive by instinct. The point of autonomous driving is that we drive by data, not a close second.

Machine learning is teaching instinct.

And you keep asserting it's giving the wrong data. Can you see the data? The answer is, no.

-Crissa

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[Deleted member 17810]

Machine learning is teaching instinct.

And you keep asserting it's giving the wrong data. Can you see the data? The answer is, no.

-Crissa

It's a small data set but people on here and youtube are showing that's it's wrong.

And camera vision does not give the same accuracy as lidar. That's not up for discussion.

 

[ÆCIII]

Disclaimer: I've been all over the U.S. in the last ten years, but I have yet to see a single Waymo configured vehicle. I have seen thousands of FSD capable Teslas during that same time.

Haven't had time to read through it yet, but funny how this thread appears right before the 10/10 event - just sayin ...

I'll wait until after 10/10 before taking time to read through it.

- ÆCIII

 

[cyberos]

… funny how this thread appears right before the 10/10 event - just sayin ...

? Actually I didn’t even know about “We, Robot” until this week. I just observed that everyone could benefit from a robotics walkthrough

Fate punished me by making me miss my “We, Robot” Gigafactory watch party invite

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Disclaimer: I've been all over the U.S. in the last ten years, but I have yet to see a single Waymo configured vehicle. I have seen thousands of FSD capable Teslas during that same time.

Haven't had time to read through it yet, but funny how this thread appears right before the 10/10 event - just sayin ...

I'll wait until after 10/10 before taking time to read through it.

- ÆCIII

Are you insinuating that people who question teslas fsd are astroturfing?

 

[HaulingAss]

Tesla vision gives incorrect distance data right now. You've posted in the threads where park assist has messed up.

LIDAR doesn't work in parking situations at all, because it's roof-mounted. Even the front veiw cameras behind the windshield don't work for very close parking situations, except to the extent that they can remember what they saw before they pulled in. For normal driving distances, which is what I was talking about, Tesla Vision creates accurate 3D spaces from 2D image data and it's more accurate than it needs to be to drive safely.

Humans don't know how many feet away an intersection is, an approaching car is, etc, they just drive from visual clues and previous experience, just like FSD. LIDAR is just a distraction to autonomy that appeals to nerdy computer programmer types that don't understand AI or how machines of the future will actually drive.

Hint: They will do it without calculating a single distance, using vision, just like a human.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

LIDAR doesn't work in parking situations at all, because it's roof-mounted. Even the front veiw cameras behind the windshield don't work for very close parking situations, except to the extent that they can remember what they saw before they pulled in. For normal driving distances, which is what I was talking about, Tesla Vision creates accurate 3D spaces from 2D image data and it's more accurate than it needs to be to drive safely.

Humans don't know how many feet away an intersection is, an approaching car is, etc, they just drive from visual clues and previous experience, just like FSD. LIDAR is just a distraction to autonomy that appeals to nerdy computer programmer types that don't understand AI or how machines of the future will actually drive.

Hint: They will do it without calculating a single distance, using vision, just like a human.

You are literally arguing that "sensing" something is better than knowing exactly how far something is away.

An autonomous system needs to be better apt, and more precise than just an uber driver that can gauge the parking spot or the curb.

Humans don't know how many feet away an intersection is, an approaching car is, etc, they just drive from visual clues and previous experience, just like FSD.

Exactly! It needs to be better.

The last presentation from tesla about their visual system is that it can out perform lidar systems. (one or two years ago?)

Tesla Vision creates accurate 3D spaces from 2D image data and it's more accurate than it needs to be to drive safely.

They haven't proven their accuracy.

 

[REM]

What happens when 6 lidar equipped vehicles (all different models and manufacturers) arrive at the same intersection? What do you do with all that noise?

 

[CyberGus]

What happens when 6 lidar equipped vehicles (all different models and manufacturers) arrive at the same intersection? What do you do with all that noise?

 

[Deleted member 17810]

What happens when 6 lidar equipped vehicles (all different models and manufacturers) arrive at the same intersection? What do you do with all that noise?

Assuming they don't spontaneously appear the exact same time, they'll take turns.

Assuming a 4 way stop, and not street signal.

 

[REM]

Assuming they don't spontaneously appear the exact same time, they'll take turns.

Assuming a 4 way stop, and not street signal.

Take turns doing what?

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Take turns doing what?

Stopping and going at a four way stop?

Wait are do you think I'm arguing visual vs lidar instead of lidar enhanced visual?

 

[Crissa]

It's a small data set but people on here and youtube are showing that's it's wrong.

And camera vision does not give the same accuracy as lidar. That's not up for discussion.

The data set doesn't show what you're saying it shows. It shows the result of the data plus the machine learning.

And 'accuracy as lidar' isn't the bar: the bar is 'the accuracy they're getting with the same cost in lidar'.

-Crissa

 

[Deleted member 17810]

The data set doesn't show what you're saying it shows. It shows the result of the data plus the machine learning.

And 'accuracy as lidar' isn't the bar: the bar is 'the accuracy they're getting with the same cost in lidar'.

-Crissa

I've said as much every single time. Telsa is opting for a cost benefit over an accuracy and safety benefit.

Visual distance analyzing through AI and ML has not reached a point where it can be as accurate as lidar. Again, not up for discussion.

Unless telsa makes a breakthrough later today (likely not as these things tend to leak) it's just not true that FSD can be as accurate and safe without mathematical data.

 

[ÆCIII]

When three Lidar equipped vehicles approach a railroad crossing all at the same time, do they use the "Rock-Paper-Scissors/Freight-Train" decision tree??

- ÆCIII

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