Ford going 100% online for EV sales

[JBee]

The problem with 'older people' that expect it 'today' is that requires alot of waste.

It requires there to be cars just sitting around, waiting for them to come, or not. It's just super-wasteful.

-Crissa

I have yet to see a brand new 1990's car still on the lot for sale. Being produced before its sold is not wasteful. It's not like cars have a best before date and turn into a compost heap thereafter.

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[Crissa]

If the car doesn't have a buyer, it is by definition, surplus, and waste. It might never have a buyer. It takes up room and resources that could have built a car that did have a buyer.

And right now, resources are what are constraining vehicle production.

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

If the car doesn't have a buyer, it is by definition, surplus, and waste. It might never have a buyer. It takes up room and resources that could have built a car that did have a buyer.

And right now, resources are what are constraining vehicle production.

-Crissa

Lol a bit like your post then because I don't buy it?

 

[Deleted member 5322]

Making money! That was a golden time for it!!!
Don't forget that not everyone was born in America and in 90s had a chance to see a computer face to face...

 

[Deleted member 12457]

I represent your comment (age wise) but I was in my 40's in the '90s, not necessarily a prime age for learning a completely new technology. I actually started in electronic systems in the early '70s so I understood what was coming but college computer science was worthless at that time, using punch cards to feed a computer the size of a football field (ok, a little exaggerated). Prime learning age is not in your 40's, it's when you're in grade school through high school, that's when your brain sucks in the most things. I bought my first Mac for work in 1989 and continued to purchase a couple million dollars worth of Macs and other computing systems in the 33 years I worked at this one company. I'm not normal! I look at my brothers and friends who I knew growing up and maybe half have any idea how to really use a computer. Using the '90s might not be the best time frame since it was a decade full of hit and miss computers. I'd look more towards the 2000's as the best time but even then the growth curve was so high many mid aged people just couldn't keep up with it.

 

[Ogre]

"First they will ignore you, then they will criticize you, then they will try to copy you, then you will win".
(bastardized quote of a bastardized quote)

Thanks for proving it Ford.

GM, VW you're up, take your swing.

GM and VW already followed Tesla into EVs. If they could figure out how to get around dealerships you bet they would.

I’m skeptical Ford will actually move past dealers. Their hands are tied to a large extent.

States won’t change the laws until voters demand it. Probable not until after a huge number of car owners in the state own cars which can’t be serviced there due to stupid laws.

 

[John K]

I have yet to see a brand new 1990's car still on the lot for sale. Being produced before its sold is not wasteful. It's not like cars have a best before date and turn into a compost heap thereafter.

Lean principle, any action that does not progress the manufacture and delivery of the product to the customer is considered waste. Batching and product or components sitting idle is waste. Though, batching is needed in some processes.

As a Best Buy date on vehicles, I submit this model with date has expired before reaching the dealership

 

[Ogre]

I have yet to see a brand new 1990's car still on the lot for sale. Being produced before its sold is not wasteful. It's not like cars have a best before date and turn into a compost heap thereafter.

In the very recent past legacy auto would commonly discount models which were left over in inventory. It was a substantial cost for them.

Building cars before they are sold means by definition you are building many cars which do not match your buyers needs or wants. Either the customer pays more for features they don’t care about or the dealer needs to discount the vehicle to get it off the lot. Either case is wasteful. I would bet most everyone has bought a car with extraneous features or in a color they don’t really want due to this mismatch.

I suspect most customers would vastly prefer ordering the car they want and getting that car within a few weeks. This was the Tesla model until demand exploded in 2021. It is how my Model Y purchase went and was extremely satisfying.

 

[JBee]

In the very recent past legacy auto would commonly discount models which were left over in inventory. It was a substantial cost for them.

Building cars before they are sold means by definition you are building many cars which do not match your buyers needs or wants. Either the customer pays more for features they don’t care about or the dealer needs to discount the vehicle to get it off the lot. Either case is wasteful. I would bet most everyone has bought a car with extraneous features or in a color they don’t really want due to this mismatch.

I suspect most customers would vastly prefer ordering the car they want and getting that car within a few weeks. This was the Tesla model until demand exploded in 2021. It is how my Model Y purchase went and was extremely satisfying.

Sure but that what you are trying to call "wastefulness" is the nature of supply and demand and customers and retailers compromising to make an agreement. Thats not waste, somebody is still buying it and using it, and nobody is forcing you to take a colour or option you don't want, its just a compromise because you might find other features compelling enough to make a purchase anyway.

I don't think I have ever purchased a car in 33 years of driving that was actually exactly the car I wanted.

Except for the whole hover and time machine thing, I think the CT is probably the closest I've ever been.

 

[JBee]

I don't have a problem with terminology or using a dictionary, but I do have one with people not saying what they mean or not knowing what they are saying, or others making up stuff to justify a bias.

Thx for the link though.

BTW This is what I consider as the definition of waste:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/waste

The natural world does not know waste.

 

[Ogre]

Sure but that what you are trying to call "wastefulness" is the nature of supply and demand and customers and retailers compromising to make an agreement. Thats not waste, somebody is still buying it and using it, and nobody is forcing you to take a colour or option you don't want, its just a compromise because you might find other features compelling enough to make a purchase anyway.

I don't think I have ever purchased a car in 33 years of driving that was actually exactly the car I wanted.

Except for the whole hover and time machine thing, I think the CT is probably the closest I've ever been.

No.

It is the nature of the old world economy.

The internet and direct to consumer marketing has changed that for many industries. Now it is coming for the auto industry.

 

[Throwcomputer]

In the very recent past legacy auto would commonly discount models which were left over in inventory. It was a substantial cost for them.

Building cars before they are sold means by definition you are building many cars which do not match your buyers needs or wants. Either the customer pays more for features they don’t care about or the dealer needs to discount the vehicle to get it off the lot. Either case is wasteful. I would bet most everyone has bought a car with extraneous features or in a color they don’t really want due to this mismatch.

I suspect most customers would vastly prefer ordering the car they want and getting that car within a few weeks. This was the Tesla model until demand exploded in 2021. It is how my Model Y purchase went and was extremely satisfying.

They discounted cars that were older inventory simply because of the dealership structure. A dealer does not own the cars on their lot.. they essentially rent them at a monthly rate per unit delivered to the dealer from the manufacturer until they are sold. Usually they pay very little for each new model, sometimes nothing for the first few months after delivery, but this rate goes up as the cars sit on the lot and new year models come out. So they pay less per month for a lot full of the newest vehicles vs 10 old models that haven't sold in a year sitting in the corner of their lot. This is why they are incentivized to get rid of older models for low to no profit.

They are essentially taking a loan out every delivery quarter for whatever the total amount of the delivery is.. with zero interest/payments for x months and after that time runs out their loan payments are due.

 

[JBee]

No.

It is the nature of the old world economy.

The internet and direct to consumer marketing has changed that for many industries. Now it is coming for the auto industry.

So you have bought exactly the perfect car you wanted for a price you wanted to pay??

Nice..I hope its not the MY you have that doesn't fit your bikes...

Being able to buy a Tesla with 5 options doesn't make it perfect nor unwanted by some, let alone wasted.

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