Apple CarPlay to be whole car OS?

[charliemagpie]

Won't be long till Tesla maps blows every other competitor out of the water.

Imagine a 3D map created by millions of cars updating the map daily, supplemented by millions of robots walking around malls etc etc,

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[rr6013]

I strongly suspect Tesla maps and Apple Maps are sourced from mostly the same data. Everyone but Google and even Google to a large extent relies on the Open Street Map project. Serious doubts either company has a big competitive advantage on maps at this point. Even Google’s big maps lead is gone.

That said.

Apple’s UI is limited to the quality of the underlying vehicle platform.

How do you use your iPhone to turn on the climate control when you are away from the car? CarPlay isn’t running. How do you vent the windows or check battery life remotely? Or get notifications your battery charge is done? CarPlay is only active when you are at the car.

When you walk away our car is just as dumb as it was before.

Everybody who’s anybody supports OpenStreet Maps OTR(over-the-road), except GOAT Apple and I think it even leveraged off it to standup Maps.app.

Good point which I was hoping to obfuscate. TEOS is a cutout for Teslas iPhone killer. IDK what form factor, but Elon’s almost stood up all the infrastructure to eclipse the common cellphone. In a world where you don’t need a car but use one at least as much or more before you went Robo* Tesla wants to have your back.

So you are right, the connection back to your vehicle belongs on you. As with every one of Tesla product or integrated services, Tesla will want those to “travel well”. Tesla does not want their product traveling on an Apple form factor. Their Tesla overlays sitting on Apple Maps.app simply invites a sort of promiscuity that is not EM. Elon believes in partnerships, JV, merger, marriage(s) and aqui(Hire/Buy). Tesla patents are open for all to see, but they are patented. Secrets are not shared, sold or for sale(OK some). They must be stolen, learned the hard way or re-invented.
The entire automotive industry is in the process of copying Tesla, Tesla methods and its technology. Apple is the grandfather of technological disruption. Its just woke to the fact that they’ve been sitting on its technological rocking horse that could have powned the automotive industry - CarPlayOS.

A BEV platform is limited to CarPlay paradigm, architectural conventions and Apple sandbox. Tesla has none of those limitations other than its present choice to interoperate with iPhone.

Once Tesla turns all the lights-on, on its infrastructure every Tesla car will be connected to you, wherever you are and whenever you want Tesla - Tesla will have your back (car, Home, Business).
Tesla can’t be reliant on a middleman(Apple)

 

[Ogre]

I think before you start talking about a Tesla Phone you need to identify what Tesla could do that would make a phone 3X better than current smartphones.

I don’t see it myself. Smartphones are mostly windows into the internet. An iPhone does that quite well. Where is Tesla going to make a phone that is twice as good as Apple’s? How do they profit from it?

Teslas app for iOS and Android is fine.

I just can’t see why Tesla would chase this when it doesn’t help their mission. They have plenty on their plate already.

I could see Tesla replacing Siri with their AGI and TeslaBot, but not really a phone.

 

[SparkChaser]

They could use the starlink network and create a truly global phone.

 

[Deleted member 12457]

Everybody who’s anybody supports OpenStreet Maps OTR(over-the-road), except GOAT Apple and I think it even leveraged off it to standup Maps.app.

Good point which I was hoping to obfuscate. TEOS is a cutout for Teslas iPhone killer. IDK what form factor, but Elon’s almost stood up all the infrastructure to eclipse the common cellphone. In a world where you don’t need a car but use one at least as much or more before you went Robo* Tesla wants to have your back.

So you are right, the connection back to your vehicle belongs on you. As with every one of Tesla product or integrated services, Tesla will want those to “travel well”. Tesla does not want their product traveling on an Apple form factor. Their Tesla overlays sitting on Apple Maps.app simply invites a sort of promiscuity that is not EM. Elon believes in partnerships, JV, merger, marriage(s) and aqui(Hire/Buy). Tesla patents are open for all to see, but they are patented. Secrets are not shared, sold or for sale(OK some). They must be stolen, learned the hard way or re-invented.
The entire automotive industry is in the process of copying Tesla, Tesla methods and its technology. Apple is the grandfather of technological disruption. Its just woke to the fact that they’ve been sitting on its technological rocking horse that could have powned the automotive industry - CarPlayOS.

A BEV platform is limited to CarPlay paradigm, architectural conventions and Apple sandbox. Tesla has none of those limitations other than its present choice to interoperate with iPhone.

Once Tesla turns all the lights-on, on its infrastructure every Tesla car will be connected to you, wherever you are and whenever you want Tesla - Tesla will have your back (car, Home, Business).
Tesla can’t be reliant on a middleman(Apple)

from wikipedia: Apple Maps started using vector graphics before competitor Google Maps, which allowed the application to use less data than Google Maps. The map has four available layers: regular map, satellite view, hybrid view (a combination of regular and satellite view), and public transit view. The main provider of map data is TomTom, but data is also supplied by Automotive Navigation Data, Getchee, Hexagon AB, IGN, Increment P, Intermap Technologies, LeadDog, MDA Information Systems, OpenStreetMap, and Waze. Apple renewed their agreement with TomTom in 2015. TomTom is the parent company of Tele Atlas, which is also used by Apple Maps' competitor, Google Maps. The satellite imagery comes from Maxar Technologies. iPhones located in China use data from AutoNavi instead. --Lots more on this website

If I remember correctly, I initially said Tesla has its own, very good car UI but the other car manufacturers suck (didn't use that word but they do). Until we learn more about the upgraded CarPlay, we won't know if Apple is attempting to offer something like a CarPlayOS or simply provide more car features to CarPlay, which might only work when an iPhone is present in the car. (same with Android's software). Everyone has their own preference for computer operating systems but I welcome the opportunity to see what Apple might/could offer to enhance the car displays. Tesla appears to be the only company attempting to get rid of switches and dials on EVs so CarPlay could work just fine on those platforms. Tesla integrates (almost) everything into their display making it a unique product that also has the achilles heal of nothing working if the computer goes down.

Question: What cellular network is used by Tesla for OTA updates and vehicle control? What's the monthly cost for this cellular service? Yes, using StarLink would be great but would it handle constant communication even through tunnels?

 

[Crissa]

Apple cust. service have mentioned that my file is one of the oldest developer accounts they’ve seen in the system. LOL

Mine's so old it doesn't use an email address. And when I try to update the email, it errors out.

Which is kind of a pain, it goes to an old SCO box...

-Crissa

PS, yes, Tesla uses Google Maps plus their own data to roll their own solution.

 

[SwampNut]

Everything about the Tesla infotainment UI and the maps is ludicrously bad. After having CarPlay in various cars for the last 6+ years, this is super obvious. The list of how it fails in comparison requires multiple sheets of narrow-lined paper.

 

[Crissa]

I cannot take the opinion of anyone who likes Apple Carplay seriously.

it's like the worst implementation I have ever seen. I hate it.

-Crissa

 

[SwampNut]

I don't understand anyone not liking it. Everyone I know who has it in one car but not the other asks me to help them fix that problem and install something in the lesser vehicle.

Perhaps "like" isn't the right word. It is not perfect. What I said was IN COMPARISON. The Tesla UI is so incredibly bad, and the functionality with phones is so broken, that even CarPlay looks good. I mean, you can't reply to a group text with the car. How is that still broken in 2022????

CarPlay may not be good; it just works.

 

[SwampNut]

I re-read my own post. Yeah, I never said I liked it. I said the alternative is even worse.

 

[Crissa]

I don't want people replying to texts using their car.

-Crissa

 

[SwampNut]

I don't want people replying to texts using their car.

-Crissa

Most of us don't care what YOU want, and attempting to force people to comply to your standards is not only ridiculous, but counter-productive. Since I *will* do it the other choice is to use more distracting means. Pushing a button and saying "reply" is the most effective and safe option. Particularly when you already have AP.

 

[Deleted member 12457]

I don't want people replying to texts using their car.

-Crissa

I don't want people smoking, drinking, shaving or putting on makeup in their car while it's moving. Do they care what I feel? Nope.

Actually, I'm using my phone to reply to texts through my aftermarket head unit which happens to be in my truck but was never part of my original truck. I'm using it hands-free, which is allowed and much safer than doing everything I mentioned in my first paragraph. People do things that other people don't like, that's just the way it goes.

 

[Ogre]

Everything about the Tesla infotainment UI and the maps is ludicrously bad. After having CarPlay in various cars for the last 6+ years, this is super obvious. The list of how it fails in comparison requires multiple sheets of narrow-lined paper.

Lots of issues with Teslas UI.

But CarPlay is an iPhone extension, TeslaOS is the car. The two are not the same.

 

[flowerlandfilms]

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