I have a ton of early Cybertruck reservations and want to partner up for a business

[SpaceYooper]

Figure out another scheme that leaves you less leveraged where you don't have to pitch a bad business idea on a forum.

What he didn't say; "...so that I can have all the leverage of the only CT on Turo!"

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[Crissa]

We all want to live in a free market society until it doesn't suit us or we become too jealous of someone with better entrepreneurial instincts...

Ethics > entrepreneurial

-Crissa

 

[shilvock22]

Ethics > entrepreneurial

-Crissa

That's a bit of a stretch to call something like this unethical. Just because someone's taking advantage of a misaligned supply and demand curve doesn't mean it's unethical. So some rich people are going to have to pay $140,000 instead of $100,000 for their luxury truck. No one's feeling sorry for them. There's far worse problems in this world you could be spending your emotional energy on

 

[earthman]

Ethics > entrepreneurial

-Crissa

Yeah, and it’s easy to mistake ethics for the pseudo-moral

 

[JBee]

Either way you'll only get as far as your next OTA if Teslas not happy about what you are doing.

Honestly, I'd like to see who wins a case in court given the size of Tesla's legal team.

 

[Ogre]

Either way you'll only get as far as your next OTA if Teslas not happy about what you are doing.

Honestly, I'd like to see who wins a case in court given the size of Tesla's legal team.

The only thing Tesla has done so far is hand down perma-bans.

Refusing to send updates to a person’s car might be considered breach on their part and is potentially dangerous to other people. Refusing to serve someone is well within their legal rights and doesn’t infringe on any gray areas.

 

[JBee]

The only thing Tesla has done so far is hand down perma-bans.

Refusing to send updates to a person’s car might be considered breach on their part and is potentially dangerous to other people. Refusing to serve someone is well within their legal rights and doesn’t infringe on any gray areas.

My point was that they still have access to your vehicle after your purchase which is not that common with ICE.

What they can or can't do legally is a different question, and one I'd like to see answered in court. But I'm doubtful their legal team would let you win and get court orders to set precedent, and would settle beforehand unless they were certain to win.

 

[Ogre]

My point was that they still have access to your vehicle after your purchase which is not that common with ICE.

What they can or can't do legally is a different question, and one I'd like to see answered in court. But I'm doubtful their legal team would let you win and get court orders to set precedent, and would settle beforehand unless they were certain to win.

I don’t follow you at all.

There is no “Win” mode by neutering software on a person’s car. Are they going to make a branch of their OS just for customers who violate policy?

Tracking that kind of thing and forking their code for something like that would be cost prohibitive. It’s also completely not needed.

 

[Crissa]

Depending on where you are, in a big Demoncrap stronghold city for example, you will likely just have gangbangers rent them to do drivebys.

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem

While mis-using rentals happens, let's not with the weird political demonizing.

So some rich people are going to have to pay $140,000 instead of $100,000 for their luxury truck. No one's feeling sorry for them.

That's 40k that isn't going to Tesla.

There is no “Win” mode by neutering software on a person’s car. Are they going to make a branch of their OS just for customers who violate policy?

Deactivating features for users that abuse them and the AUP may be something Tesla has to do in the future. They already kick people from the Beta for violating their promise to pay attention.

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

I don’t follow you at all.

There is no “Win” mode by neutering software on a person’s car. Are they going to make a branch of their OS just for customers who violate policy?

Tracking that kind of thing and forking their code for something like that would be cost prohibitive. It’s also completely not needed.

Two click process to fork on github?

I'm not saying they "would", rather, just that they "could". Which is not the same thing with vehicles that can't be updated OTA.

They can also lock the vehicle remotely etc right? Code is already there either way. Besides, not every FSD customer has full FSD despite paying for it years ago? You'd be surprised how many versions of code are running, and they'd just need a dedicated one for the whole group of misbehaving clientele. If they wanted to they could.

I'm not sure what you mean with "win"? That paragraph is on the tactics they would use in the court litigation process to reduce their exposure to a undesirable outcome.

 

[JBee]

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem

While mis-using rentals happens, let's not with the weird political demonizing.

Funny. When will you stop too, or does that only work one way?

 

[JBee]

Deactivating features for users that abuse them and the AUP may be something Tesla has to do in the future. They already kick people from the Beta for violating their promise to pay attention.

Exactly.

I haven't read the terms but I'm pretty certain it will have a few catch all clauses that let's Tesla use it's discretion against misuse and affords them immunity from prosecution.

 

[Crissa]

Funny. When will you stop too, or does that only work one way?

I didn't demonize anyone. Third Way is bipartisan. At any rate, states have more power to change crime rates and deadliness than cities. And states as a category are not more likely run by a specific party for demographic reasons.

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

Two click process to fork on github?

I'm not saying they "would", rather, just that they "could". Which is not the same thing with vehicles that can't be updated OTA.

They can also lock the vehicle remotely etc right? Code is already there either way. Besides, not every FSD customer has full FSD despite paying for it years ago? You'd be surprised how many versions of code are running, and they'd just need a dedicated one for the whole group of misbehaving clientele. If they wanted to they could.

I'm not sure what you mean with "win"? That paragraph is on the tactics they would use in the court litigation process to reduce their exposure to a undesirable outcome.

I’m just completely baffled why you think any solution to someone selling trucks or… whatever would involve software. It makes zero sense and your “2 click fork” makes even less sense.

There are simple, nearly free ways Tesla can deal with bad customers that involve zero developer time.

 

[JBee]

I’m just completely baffled why you think any solution to someone selling trucks or… whatever would involve software. It makes zero sense and your “2 click fork” makes even less sense.

There are simple, nearly free ways Tesla can deal with bad customers that involve zero developer time.

It takes two clicks on github to create a new fork, and I imagine Tesla would use a similar process before merging code into the build they send out for OTA. This means it is not hard to create a dedicated fork of software to accommodate "special" operating conditions if the need arises, or if they choose to do so. Unlike what you claim. Just like they have done to "unlock" battery capacity when there's a fire or hurricane, they could, if they wanted to, do the opposite. It is not hard, and it can be done retrospectively at any time, even after a sale.

I'm still not saying they would, rather they could if they wanted too, if other avenues failed to achieve the results they were looking for.

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