More Tesla price cuts === cheaper Cybertruck (6 oct)

[Deleted member 3316]

You and I think differently. I see the reservation list and demand as additional proof that Tesla 'can' stay within 10% of the unveiling pricing. And politically they are motivated to do just that despite any other pressures.

I honestly hope you’re right. I just don’t think they can just give up the profit that will be immediately taken up in the secondhand market by people with late reservations or without reservations at all.

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[Jhodgesatmb]

That is how Tesla began with the Cybertruck as well, but they changed when the demand for the Dual and Tri motor trims were by far the most popular.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I honestly hope you’re right. I just don’t think they can just give up the profit that will be immediately taken up in the secondhand market by people with late reservations or without reservations at all.

You are kidding, right? Tesla has the about the highest profit margins of any car maker in the world. At this point they could make a good profit on the Cybertruck at its unveiling prices.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

there is no cheaper lightning anymore. Price has risen 50% in the first year since available. On the base model lightning which is half the specs for more than dual motor announced.

15 pages of speculation, on top of hundreds of prior pages of price speculation. How about we all just wait and see cause no amount of speculation is going to matter. None of us have any clue.

3 years most on here have waited. Whats another 6 +/- months to just wait and see. And as we all see, prices are never static with Tesla. They will change probably 5 times in the first year.

You are right of course, but we are all so frustrated that we are willing to re-hash these idea over and over. I have been buoyed by all the recent images and videos of Cybertrucks, but we have missed the much-needed sightings of Cybertruck gigacastings and exoskeletons at GigaAustin. That will be a wonderful day indeed!

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Sorry for many posts everyone. I had not read any of this thread and then binged and read/responded to all of it at once. 20 pages? Sheesh! And I just added to it a whole bunch. I gotta go look for GigaAustin videos, hah hah

 

[TBONO]

Ford is losing money because it tried to make an electric truck from an ICE truck and never made any attempt to optimize manufacturing. There has never been any real competition between Tesla and Ford in terms of manufacturing so you should just drop all comparisons to legacy (or any, really) manufacturers or their vehicles.

OK sure I will drop the comparisons to Ford when Tesla stops doing so including on launch day of this product when they show it in a tug of war against a….Ford.

If you don’t see a Ford F150 lightning, or ice, as a comparison or benchmark, then I cannot help you.

 

[TBONO]

He also said on numerous occasions that Teslas cost too much and that the Cybertruck had to be affordable (and that they were working hard at bringing cost down). With regard to his statement back when he said that the prices wouldn't be the same 'because' of specific external pressures which have now abated somewhat.

Yet no one from Tesla has made such follow up comments to this. So last word from Tesla is pricing will be different and if you cannot really understand the obvious of what’s meant by that let me translate different means higher.

 

[TBONO]

He said they wouldn't be the same.

He did not say they were going up 50%. Or even 10%.

-Crissa

Oh my God I feel like I’m arguing with Sheldon on big bang theory

Is your argument really “he said different?”
That means the pricing could be one penny more or 10% less? Wow.
Clearly too much of the Kool-Aid being drunk, and even when Elon himself tells us how it is and people choose to hear something different… Again, I can’t help you so we’ll see when pricing is released and will revisit this thread, and will dissect what was meant by different pricing, and another one of the worlds great mysteries will be solved.

 

[anionic1]

Maybe read this article from NPR first…



“The decision by Twitter last week took the public radio network off guard. When queried by NPR tech reporter Bobby Allyn, Twitter owner Elon Musk asked how NPR functioned. Musk allowed that he might have gotten it wrong.”

Yes Elon says dumb stuff, but the intent behind it is not malicious.

The intent is not malicious? Drunk people don’t intend to kill people in car crashes. The right has this belief lately that leadership can say whatever they want and just sweep it under the rug when it has an affect or has to face truth. That’s extremely childish and it’s greatly affecting a lot of peoples lives. Twitter and musks activity on Twitter will absolutely be Musks biggest downward turn in his legacy.

 

[Gurule92]

The intent is not malicious? Drunk people don’t intend to kill people in car crashes. The right has this belief lately that leadership can say whatever they want and just sweep it under the rug when it has an affect or has to face truth. That’s extremely childish and it’s greatly affecting a lot of peoples lives. Twitter and musks activity on Twitter will absolutely be Musks biggest downward turn in his legacy.

Until he builds X and everyone forgets about Twitter

 

[Deleted member 3316]

The intent is not malicious? Drunk people don’t intend to kill people in car crashes. The right has this belief lately that leadership can say whatever they want and just sweep it under the rug when it has an affect or has to face truth. That’s extremely childish and it’s greatly affecting a lot of peoples lives. Twitter and musks activity on Twitter will absolutely be Musks biggest downward turn in his legacy.

yep, the cognitive biases amplified by the main stream media are highly problematic. I don’t think anything controversial Elmo says gets swept under the carpet.

I think the thing with Elmo that is frequently missed is that he changes his mind on new information and freely admits when he’s wrong.

The problem is it happens in real time and the diabolically dumb shit he says immediately makes headline news and is reiterated and frequently misrepresented for days, even though he’s said five minutes later oh nah that was dumb/wrong/misplaced.

Elon is not some right wing nut job, the problem is both sides say sensible things and absolutely stupid things equally. Elons feed is just weighted towards one side because that is the side that needs convincing of a transition to sustainability. The tribalistic nature of public discourse means he needs to be seen to be picking a side.
He’s not….

 

[Deleted member 3316]

You are kidding, right? Tesla has the about the highest profit margins of any car maker in the world. At this point they could make a good profit on the Cybertruck at its unveiling prices.

Yes, Tesla does have the highest profit margins of any car manufacturer and is in a position to make negative margins for a while whilst ramping if required

That’s not the argument I’m making…

Why can Tesla ask for the price it charges? (Not, why margins are higher than competitors)

Why don’t they charge lower prices?

What would happen if they price their products markedly below market clearing price?

 

[Crissa]

Oh my God I feel like I’m arguing with Sheldon on big bang theory

Is your argument really “he said different?”
That means the pricing could be one penny more or 10% less? Wow.
Clearly too much of the Kool-Aid being drunk, and even when Elon himself tells us how it is and people choose to hear something different… Again, I can’t help you so we’ll see when pricing is released and will revisit this thread, and will dissect what was meant by different pricing, and another one of the worlds great mysteries will be solved.

Do you normally switch to insults?

Like:

Yet no one from Tesla has made such follow up comments to this. So last word from Tesla is pricing will be different and if you cannot really understand the obvious of what’s meant by that let me translate different means higher.

OK sure I will drop the comparisons to Ford when Tesla stops doing so including on launch day of this product when they show it in a tug of war against a….Ford.

If you don’t see a Ford F150 lightning, or ice, as a comparison or benchmark, then I cannot help you.

Notably, the Lightning is not the truck that anyone at Tesla compared the Cybertruck to. It didn't exist when Tesla launched the Cybertruck, and it wasn't the measure by which the Cybertruck was launched against - weight, price, capabilities.

Why would they limit the Cybertruck by what Ford was able to do with the Lightning?

Your arguments just skip around and are disingenuous.

-Crissa

 

[HaulingAss]

If Tesla wanted to flood the earth with CT Musk should not have chosen a design with niche appeal. This is a vanity project and a completely unnecessary risk for an auto maker that plans to be big.

CT is a better design for a company with BMWs market position and aspirations.

Cybertruck doesn't have niche appeal - it has more reservations than any vehicle in automotive history. By definition, that makes it's appeal anything but niche. What don't you understand about this?

 

[HaulingAss]

I think you are correct. For me price was a huge factor in reservations. I reserved in spite of the looks, which might grow on me when I see one in person, not sure. My kids aren't sure they want to be seen in one. I reserved because Tesla made/makes the best overall EVs and at 50K for a dual motor full sized truck with 300 miles of rated range and the supercharger network and it could seat 6, it was an incredible value. Whether I actually buy one or not will depend on the prices, actual specs and real world reviews.

All that being said, I think Tesla's manufacturing processes will allow them to price it close to the original pricing and make profit. Based on many Munro Associates interviews and assessments, it seems like Tesla's price will allow them to sell for less than their competitors which tells me CT will be priced competitively compared to other offerings.

Wait a minute...your profile says you have a 2017 Chevy Bolt. And you and your tykes are worried about Cybertruck aesthetics?

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