350 mile range Quad Motor rumored to be 1st trim launched

[cvalue13]

A 350 mile cybertruck is still just a grocery getter like my X

You live in the Yukon?

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[MEDICALJMP]

You misread the thread. In fact, the last time I drove in weather like that it was 13 below, and I did not stay home. The point of the thread was that 350 miles range for the truck is not suitable. I would be forced to stay home by the truck not by my retired status and fear of cold. On a personal note, why would you assume I am on pain meds? Keep your nasty tone to yourself.

A) I did not misread the thread. You stated that anyone towing in cold weather should “just stay home.” I pointed out many reasons people cannot just stay home when it is cold.

B) You misread my comment. No “nasty” tone implied or meant. I clearly indicated my medical profession and said people such as yourself would want their medical professionals showing up for work in cold weather, snow, monsoon, whatever; and not failing to show up . My bad, I did not put a /s for sarcasm. Please go back and reread the statement from a fresh perspective.

 

[the43k]

Question? I heard it mentioned that the rear wheel steering is a feature of the Tri-motor. Since they have been showcasing the rear wheel steering, why would they then come out with dual motor 350 miles and not have rear wheel steering? If you put two motors in the rear to do rear wheel steering, then it wouldn't be 4 wheel drive??? Thoughts?

 

[Regenshire]

Question? I heard it mentioned that the rear wheel steering is a feature of the Tri-motor. Since they have been showcasing the rear wheel steering, why would they then come out with dual motor 350 miles and not have rear wheel steering? If you put two motors in the rear to do rear wheel steering, then it wouldn't be 4 wheel drive??? Thoughts?

Where have you heard it is only a feature of the Tri-Motor? I don't think Tesla has ever told us if it is limited to certain trims or not.

I don't think four wheel steering (4ws) as a technology is necessarily dependent on motor count. I believe you could have it with a single, dual, tri, or quad motor setup from an engineering perspective.

What you cant do with out a 4 motors configuration is something like Tank Turns.

When Tesla originally mentioned going to a four motor configuration it was in the middle of the hype-train for the Rivian Tank Turn videos. Tank Turn never made it to production on the Rivian.

Tesla likes to simplify manufacturing, so my guess is they would have 4ws on all models since I don't think Tesla would want to manufacture vehicles with two different suspensions on the same line unless it is easy to drop in like their motors.

Maybe other can provide more light on if that would be an easy thing for them to switch between.

 

[Mini2nut]

It’s nice to finally see more news regarding the Cybertruck. The puzzle is nearing completion. Maybe Wednesday‘s earnings call will reveal some Cybertruck information.

 

[PilotPete]

I heard from a guy at the bar who said he holds a bunch of stock options that the first release is the heretofore unmentioned quint motor version. That’s right, one motor on every wheel, INCLUDING the spare! And that the batteries can be replaced individually with rechargeable AA batteries. And if you want to extend the range, you‘ll have to go to Costco to get all them AA’s.

 

[Crissa]

I've NEVER peed in 'the interim'

Your handle implies otherwise?

-Crissa

 

[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

Your handle implies otherwise?

-Crissa

Better keep my handle to myself then!
And besides, my past tense (PEED) has an 'S' trapped at the beginning! So there(?)

 

[mrbulk]

Sorry, I did see the word usually and I still thought it was inaccurate.

EDIT: On rereading your post, I see you aren't claiming that only the higher specs are sold first, just that they are normally initially available trims for delivery, not including the Model 3 launch. That would be sort of true (if you leave off things like PLAID+). I am leaving the rest of the post as is, as it still highlights they don't have a history of only offering the highest trim at launch.

Usually implies they have a strong pattern of doing so, that it is the norm. I am arguing that it has not been shown to be the norm.

Tesla didn't launch the Model 3 or the Model Y with only the max spec/max profit version available.

As far as I am aware, both the Model S and Model X refresh were available in both AWD LR and Plaid at roughly the same time for the refresh launches as well (please note, I have not done in depth analysis on Refresh Model S and X releases, and I generally don't pay a ton of attention to them, this based on memory and some quick fact checking).

You would have to be looking back to 2015 and before with the launch of the original Model S and Model X Signature Editions for this to be true.

I think you've made my point, Thanks.

 

[pjfw8]

A) I did not misread the thread. You stated that anyone towing in cold weather should “just stay home.” I pointed out many reasons people cannot just stay home when it is cold.

B) You misread my comment. No “nasty” tone implied or meant. I clearly indicated my medical profession and said people such as yourself would want their medical professionals showing up for work in cold weather, snow, monsoon, whatever; and not failing to show up . My bad, I did not put a /s for sarcasm. Please go back and reread the statement from a fresh perspective.

I propose a truce! We both think an EV needs to work effectively in all climates. The time luxury of my current stage of life helps you not at all on a crappy day.

 

[GlockandRoll]

Ugh... not this shit again.
There is no quad motor.

 

[JBee]

Tesla has not always offered the highest-profit / highest-spec models first.

For Model 3 they launched with the LR RWD, and AWD and Performance were not available for about 3/4ths of a year.

For Model Y, Performance and LR AWD both released at around the same time I believe.

I just want to point this out, because a lot of people believe that Tesla always launches the most expensive vehicle first, and its not factually correct.

It would be correct to say Tesla does not release the cheapest models at launch (short range RWD configurations). I don't think they have ever done that, but they don't really have a consistent history of offerring their highest spec at launch.

That's normally Crissa's line... ?

 

[anionic1]

It’s really important to notice that it doesn’t appear that their initial typical Tesla truck buyer is actually someone that needs a truck. There is a huge Tesla following driving model 3s that have plenty of financial readiness to jump on the CT because it’s the coolest most capable Tesla product. For A LOT of Tesla fans it not really about owning or needing a truck. I bet 50% of the initial buyers won’t really use the truck bed within the first year of ownership. So what’s really important in teslas eyes. That they make a fast and sexy vehicle. That’s what they have always prioritized. The first 250,000 buyers would buy it with a 250 mile range and quad motor because most of them won’t need anything else. I personally don’t think Tesla will offer that low of range on a quad motor. I think they will do a quad motor with a double stacked battery between the castings which will be about the 20% greater than the size as the Y battery x2. Or around 180 kWh. With an efficiency slightly better to Rivians and Fords at 460 W/mile. Which gives us about 400 miles of range. Tesla will offset this by announcing that the CT will accept level4 charging and the charging network has been upgraded blah blah blah so there you go. And even at that it will be $10k less than the Silverado with 450 mile range so many people will go for the CT because it still has more to offer.

 

[anionic1]

Range is pretty cheap. At a pack price of $125/kwh (Tesla is cheaper than that) the cost per mile is waaay at the outside assuming a 2.8 mile per kwh efficiency, $60 per mile including a 30% GM. So even with extremely conservative assumptions, an extra 150 miles is under $10,000 in battery pack costs (including margin).

Edit: Where range becomes expensive is when a company is short battery capacity and the economic trade off is about fewer sales rather than the incremental cost of battery packs.

I don’t know what world you’re living in where $10k is a low cost change.

 

[Crissa]

I bet 50% of the initial buyers won’t really use the truck bed within the first year of ownership.

Well, I plan on using it when I pick up the truck. Gonna roll up my Zero, strap it in the back, and bring it home.

That is if I can't fly into Texas and... wait, then I'll be stuffing it with camping gear.

-Crissa

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