It's a pickup not a luxury car collection, a utility, what garage why?
I don’t have a driveway, so yeah.
I think some of your photos you take for comparison are taken with the good intent, but poorly match. You are filling the scaled box, rather than the scaled truck. The distance of the two photos taken that you are comparing with, rather the video screenshots. Those are very different lengths from the truck(s). I know you said they aren't perfect, but they're clearly affecting your thought on what Tesla has done with Cybertruck.Below aren't perfect comparator photos, but they get across the point:
Not at all to suggest there might not be an inch or two gained/lost elsewhere, and not at all to suggest that it's exactly 12", but instead only to scope that on a directional and magnitude basis, there is some chunk of the CT that is materially shorter, and it aint the "nose" and it aint the bed.
Those places wouldn't stop any of the stuff mentioned but yeah, unless you wanna go park in the field. Sounds like you need a garage lol
I do happen to own some 2x4's. I just find them a bit unwieldy and less than ideal to get a good grip (plus who wants splinters). Costs a bit more but a baseball bat (especially a metal one) tends to be more my choice.
You two are both gluttons!
Given the above, and what should be a healthy dose of self-doubt, how about we end where I began: far as we can tell, the CT has no more or no less bumper out front or back than the Lightning's 1 3/4" total.
Again, you're only recounting to me things I already had accounted for in my prior post.
On one hand, this seems to just be recounting the limitations I already accounted for in my original post.
See discussion above. And no, they're not. The photos were there for your benefit of following my point, not the sum total of my reason for the conclusions.
I'm not going to belabor this: you don't understand the relevant comparison, and you're 3 steps behind me here, not ahead.
I understand that our levels of curiosity, and subjects of interest, are different.
You really must be fun at parties.You two are both gluttons!
It's all good, I'm here for it.
But let me ask an question: do I really seem the sort that doesn't bring receipts, or that hasn’t already thought through the things you’re presenting as counterfactuals?
Because if not, wouldn't it seem more productive to demonstrate skepticism through questions, rather than (as it turns out) assertions?
When I take photos like the one above, I'm doing so fully understanding spatial relations, and adjusting accordingly, then summarizing by what I think is sufficient support to deserve any generosity in response.
But since nothing but instrumentation seems to satisfy, let's instead test your respective abilities to understand spatial relations, to the degree of justifying ungenerous responses:
In the photos below:
First, I show the contours of the F150 bumper, and its longest point (above the tow hitch):
Next, I show my point of measurement at the tow hitch (yes, the broom handle is straight!):
Then, with the (apparently necessary) instrumentation, measured at the longest protrusion of the bumper, resulting in 1 and 6/16th of an inch (when viewed/measured square-on):
Then I repeat the same methodology for the front, arriving at 6/16ths of an inch (when viewed/measured square-on):
That results in the F160 Lightning bumpers, front and back, accounting for a total of 1 3/4" of length - and that's if measured at the protrusion over the receiver.
Now, feel free to bring your own thought, time, and instrumentation into this. But until then, as between us, your armchair sense of spatial relationships appears to be not accurate.
Remembering that:
Given the above, and what should be a healthy dose of self-doubt, how about we end where I began: far as we can tell, the CT has no more or no less bumper out front or back than the Lightning's 1 3/4" total.
Again, you're only recounting to me things I already had accounted for in my prior post.
My conclusions don't change. As between us, I admit to feeling you're still catching up, rather than showing me some way.
On one hand, this seems to just be recounting the limitations I already accounted for in my original post.
On the other hand, we don't need any lenses photos to deduce reasonable conclusions: because the lightning's bumpers protrude a combined 1 3/4" from the body, anything equal or longer than that amount in the CT maintains my original point. Conversely, I see nothing in the CT photos, at any angle, that leaves me to reasonably believe the CT has materially less bumper protrusion than the F150's 1 3/4" total.
See discussion above. And no, they're not. The photos were there for your benefit of following my point, not the sum total of my reason for the conclusions.
I'm not going to belabor this: you don't understand the relevant comparison, and you're 3 steps behind me here, not ahead.
But as for a breadcrumb towards progress: essentially, the measurement you're displaying above, is analogous to the following in the CT:
But on the point of your not quite following the discussion:
I understand that our levels of curiosity, and subjects of interest, are different.
What I don't understand, however, is that you simultaneously maintain that - in effect - you don't pay close attention (which is borne out by your discussion), but that you still want to participate in asserting things that require an interest in paying attention.
In truth, detail and curiosity tend to cool off otherwise clickable content generation that values likes over substantiated information.
You do yours, I do mine?
). Now the Cybertruck tailgate angles out instead of straight up, but the F150 is there for the tailgate release. The Cybertruck tailgate is also pretty rectangular where the F150's arches at the back. Thickness of said tailgate would be another measurement we'd want between the two. It seems a packaging difference here could be significant. Certainly more than the 1 3/4"
again - a step beyond this.
Again, a step beyond this.
Now you're just trying to answer my original question: where did the 12" go. You're suggesting an some is here. great.
No sh*t - which is why we are speaking in generalities.
I'd say your the one who is trying to nail down every fraction of an inch.... I've been speaking in generalities of an inch there, inch over there, and some there with rough and ~ thrown around it. We can roughly see where some savings might be. You're trying to nail down to 1/16ths of an inch here...
You know measurements and relative proportions can be known or deduced, or you wouldn't have entered the fray declaring that "The F150 front bumper is ~2-3" protruded from the grill and the rear bumper is a solid 5"" nor that bumpers are the "major difference in length between the Cybertruck and pretty much any other truck."
From there you retreated into various intellectually dishonest cul-de-sacs.
bro, your question is nonsensical and only demonstrates that you don't understand the even the first principals of the discussion.
Elon made it clear they reduced the outside as much as possible while keeping the bed and inside as large as possible. Anyone who has ever parked a long truck in a congested space will appreciate this.
