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I don't know why we're fighting because I generally like your posts, but -- I live here, in this state, and camp 1x/month or more for 9 months of the year. I've put 90k miles on EVs since 2018 driving around Michigan, and I am very first-hand intimately familiar with the charging situation here.

This comment makes you come off as an ass who doesn't actually understand the details of the situation you dismiss with a misleading Plugshare screenshot.

If you earnestly believe that northern Michigan has adequate fast charging to support regular travel in EVs, and are interested in understanding why it it might not be as easy as a glance at a screen cap looks - lets have the convo. But...if you just want to drop incorrect one-liners, I'm not going to waste the time.
I find people seem to either make specific decisions that make their trips actively worse, or deny the charging opportunities that actually exist.

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These two maps are at the same scale.

At every place I camped along that yellow line, there was a Tesla 3 and/or Y also camping.

Why? Because they have the range to do those hops.

This is why I don't get the complaints. Especially not from people 'going to a cabin' or camping where there's power. Because I only do primitive camping. Ya know, no water or power.

Yeah, I don't have a Tesla yet - because I can only afford to buy the one, I'm waiting for the truck - but I have friends who've had Leafs and Bolts and now have Teslas and similar. My winter tires went up to BC camping along the way on a Leaf. I know what the limitations are.

I rented a model Y last month on a trip to Texas, this is my second trip renting a Tesla for a family trip. The first thing I noticed is how far off the actually miles per charge is compared to the claims. We never got within 100 miles of the claimed mileage. (Under normal driving condition) As well as the cost to charge at the super chargers which were equal o 24 mpg. So when Tesla puts out these claimed towing ranges and weights, I have very little faith in the accuracy.
Did you plug in the route and speed that you were going to take? It can't estimate well without that information.

The faster you go, the worse your efficiency.

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For me, there is a big difference between being able to do something, and being able to do something efficiently or with minimal sacrifice. If there was no other option, yes, you could make it just about anywhere in upper Michigan in an ev. Even pulling a trailer with a 350 mile CT. BUT..... It will require a ton of extra time to do so, and a lot of planning depending on where you want to go. I absolutely love both of our Teslas and have made numerous long distance road trips in them. But my use case for a truck (which admittedly is different than others) makes a 350 mile version not worth it to me. Could I make it work? Yes. Am I willing to sacrifice the time and convenience vs my current tundra? Nope.
 

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I only get a 20% hit when towing this little 67 eriba puck trailer with my m3 and a 10% hit when towing it with my Rivian (but travel slower) will be towing a 22' curtis wright clipper with the cybertruck which is a very aerodynamic 2000 pound trailer
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I really hope with 4 manufacturers of EV Pickup trucks (Rivian, Ford, GM, and Tesla) that trailer manufacturers will realize that boxes with wheels no longer are really going to cut it, that they will need to do aerodynamic R&D and/or testing to get more efficient shapes.

Look at some of the really cool trailer designs in Europe and Scandinavia. They offer models below the height of most car models, that are no wider than many cars, and if not aerodynamic, atleast make sure to stay in the 'shadow' of turbulent air created by the tow vehicle.

Super bonus, some of them work on putting the air back smoothly, which will also greatly improve range while towing.

I am waiting for a boat manufacturer to realize if they flip it over and put it backward on a trailer, their boat form would be very efficient. Even if fiberglass and not carbon fiber...

And I hope that happens before they get to my reservation #. ;)
 

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The hard part with towing isn’t necessarily about the range, but about the availability of charging, ease of charging access (I.e. pull-through), and duration of charging.

Opinion coming off of a 320-mile towing road trip with our small camper this past weekend with our R1T.

I fully expect Tesla to shine in points 1 & 3. They might be slightly worse on #2 for now.
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Charging is definitely the key. We like to go deep into NE WA. and North Idaho and it’s 122 or more miles past the last charger. even without towing, I wouldn’t be able to take a 300 mile range truck loaded with everything into the dark corners. We need chargers in these areas.
 


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Charging is definitely the key. We like to go deep into NE WA. and North Idaho and it’s 122 or more miles past the last charger. even without towing, I wouldn’t be able to take a 300 mile range truck loaded with everything into the dark corners. We need chargers in these areas.
It's nearly there. And yes, you do, but 300 miles will get you across and to these destinations. And there will only be more in the future.

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Yeah, it’s just early adopter stuff. I just want more range in my Cybertruck so I can go on better adventures.
 

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I only get a 20% hit when towing this little 67 eriba puck trailer with my m3 and a 10% hit when towing it with my Rivian (but travel slower) will be towing a 22' curtis wright clipper with the cybertruck which is a very aerodynamic 2000 pound trailer
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It sounds like you have a little EV towing experience under your belt. Have you found speed is a major factor to range? I'll be wanting to pull a somewhat aerodynamic RV (5500 lbs) with my Cybertruck, and would be very willing to keep things at or under 60 MPH in order to get where I want to go.
 


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"Tesla’s website still lists a max towing capability of over 14K lbs. for the Cybertruck, but beyond towing power, will the Cybertruck have enough range to make towing practical? How will it compare to a gas or diesel truck?"

Take a screenshot of Tesla promising 14k towing capacity and save it here. Being only a month away from delivered it would seem that they have to hold to that as a promise.
 

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Take a screenshot of Tesla promising 14k towing capacity and save it here. Being only a month away from delivered it would seem that they have to hold to that as a promise.
I hope someone creates a bingo card for the delivery event.
Sure, mid gate will be there, but towing, bed size, Frunk size, water mode, etc.
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