CyberTruck Range ??

[intimidator]

Does anyone remember what the range of the AWD LR Model 3 was in 2019? And how that compares to the 2023 Model 3 AWD LR


In 2019 the EPA rated the Model 3 AWD LR at 116 MPGe 29 kWh/100 mi (322 miles)

In 2023 the EPA rates the Model 3 AWD LR at 131 MPGe 26 kWh/100 mi (333 miles)

Does this give us an idea of how much Tesla has been able to improve range of its vehicles since 2019?

How will that translate to the expected range of the CyberTruck? (factoring in the 4680s might not be as efficient as the 2170s in the Model 3)

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[Tiberius]

don't forget that Tesla changed the size of the M3 battery as well, so early/late comparisons are less useful

 

[intimidator]

don't forget that Tesla changed the size of the M3 battery as well, so early/late comparisons are less useful

This what I found on the old internet.....which could be wrong:

2019 Model 3 LR AWD battery size Battery: 75 kWh

2023 Model 3 LR AWD battery size Battery: 75 kWh

 

[cvalue13]

This what I found on the old internet.....which could be wrong:

2019 Model 3 LR AWD battery size Battery: 75 kWh

2023 Model 3 LR AWD battery size Battery: 75 kWh

but I *think* the relevant question here isn’t if they are they same kWH total density, so much as what is the physical size of the pack to achieve that density?

if Tesla has a market view that 330mi is the right area for the cars at a given price point, they would stick there even if cell density has increased significantly and so pack size (physical) decreases or pack expense (per size) decreases?

that said, the relevant metric here is only the 4680 structural pack

where has it come

 

[Tiberius]

This what I found on the old internet.....which could be wrong:

2019 Model 3 LR AWD battery size Battery: 75 kWh

2023 Model 3 LR AWD battery size Battery: 75 kWh

I thought the earlier ones were 70-75 while the later ones were 77-82
Capacity definitely changed over time for the long range versions

 

[intimidator]

I thought the earlier ones were 70-75 while the later ones were 77-82
Capacity definitely changed over time for the long range versions

You could be right.

Which would mean that while the range went up slightly, so did the size of the battery. Kinda of a wash over the last 4 years I suppose.

 

[dempster]

You could be right.

Which would mean that while the range went up slightly, so did the size of the battery. Kinda of a wash over the last 4 years I suppose.

My 2020 LR AWD model 3 has a 76KW battery, our 2021 has an 82KW battery.

Although I believe the biggest difference was the introduction of the heatpump. I don't know that the actual batteries themselves improved at all.

edit: take that 6extra kw and divide by the 150wh/km. That would account for an extra 40km. Only 5more to find. Range went from 518 to 563km

 

[HaulingAss]

My 2020 LR AWD model 3 has a 76KW battery, our 2021 has an 82KW battery.

Although I believe the biggest difference was the introduction of the heatpump. I don't know that the actual batteries themselves improved at all.

edit: take that 6extra kw and divide by the 150wh/km. That would account for an extra 40km. Only 5more to find. Range went from 518 to 563km

I don't think the heatpump increased the EPA range much at all, it was more of an improvement for those who had a lot of use in ambient temperatures between 35F and 55F. The biggest improvements have come from tuning the power electronics that drive the motors. In some ways the original Model 3 was more efficient than later ones, particularly, I believe, in the type of power transistor used. If I'm not mistaking, Tesla has switched from the more efficient silicon carbide transistors to more common and less expensive regular silicon. The former generate a bit less heat.

Making the electronics more efficient is not as helpful as one might assume, especially in colder climates, because Tesla is able to put the waste heat to good use. Without enough waste heat, Tesla forces components to purposefully operate in a less efficient mode to generate enough waste heat to, for example, warm the battery and extend it's useful life.

Things like motors, power electronics and even gear reduction and wheel bearing losses have become close enough to 100% of theoretical maximum efficiency that there are not any large efficiency gains left to be had in these areas. That leaves, in order of importance, aerodynamics, tire rolling resistance and weight.

Of course, the biggest optimizatiions of all, that are still low-hanging fruit, are not really efficiency optimizations at heart, they are cost reductions and increasing the energy density of batteries to lower weight and cost (so the latter could be considered an efficiency optimization indirectly).

Don't misnderstand me, Teslas will continue to get incrementally more efficient, it's just that the gains will be relatively small, and continually dimishing, relative to what we have already seen. How you drive matters a lot more. And I find it baffling why legacy auto seems to think aero is not a very big deal. The bigger batteries required to offset poor aero is a huge deal in terms of vehicle cost and handling. The battery needs to be big enough to get the job done in a practical and convenient manner, but most people don't want it uneccessarily weighing them down to an excessive degree, which is what poor aero causes and is one reason why legacy auto is having trouble getting the price down to the point they can build them profitably.

 

[intimidator]

Things like motors, power electronics and even gear reduction and wheel bearing losses have become close enough to 100% of theoretical maximum efficiency that there are not any large efficiency gains left to be had in these areas. That leaves, in order of importance, aerodynamics, tire rolling resistance and weight.

Thank you. You have hit the nail on the head. Aero, tires and weight.
I wonder how those 3 things will impact the range of the Cybertruck.

 

[Crissa]

don't forget that Tesla changed the size of the M3 battery as well, so early/late comparisons are less useful

MPGe don't touch the battery.

-Crissa

 

[intimidator]

It is a little odd that no "official" leaks about the range have reached us. Or even unofficial leaks.

I know we only have to wait "2 weeks" to find out at the launch event.....but......

 

[JBee]

I read the title and could only think about how somebody has already set up the "Cybertuck range ??" to test out their Tommy guns...sheeesh.

 

[intimidator]

I read the title and could only think about how somebody has already set up the "Cybertuck range ??" to test out their Tommy guns...sheeesh.

Don't put it past Elon to do something off the wall.

The man put a Tesla into space! And he shot up a Cybertruck with a Tommy gun just to see how it would do!

 

[Deleted member 4261]

It is a little odd that no "official" leaks about the range have reached us. Or even unofficial leaks.

I know we only have to wait "2 weeks" to find out at the launch event.....but......

Hope that’s not a Elon two weeks.

 

[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

I read the title and could only think about how somebody has already set up the "Cybertuck range ??" to test out their Tommy guns...sheeesh.

Talk about Gung Ho.... Elon IS Gun Ho 2

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