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[JBee]

I’m not sure that bit about crawling is true. The two rear motors are virtually lockable in the tri motor vs mechanical locking in the dual. The end result is likely the same.

There is a lot of threads on here with discussions about how good torque vectoring is offroad in comparison to lockers.

There are a couple of points to consider here:

1) Electric motors have something called "Stall Torque" which is when they are operating at very low RPM, like when climbing, with 1-2RPM. This means they do not produce full torque, or sometimes even enough torque to keep momentum, unlike two wheels joined by a locked diff, where the toque can vary between axles without TC/TV interfering with RPM. This is a common issue with Rivian QM.
2) The other point is that TC/TV only has a about a 25Hz feedback loop to the wheels, a diff lock is nearly "instantaneous" in that the only fluctuation is the tyre deformation from acceleration. This means there is "no figuring out" of differential traction of the ground, the amount of torque required, or can be applied to the ground for what level traction there is in that split second of time, or the the ability of the motor to deliver it etc. despite position sensing being done in the motor itself. With a locker the toque is evenly supplied to wherever there is the most available traction mechanically, without any systems interfering at all, and not reduction in RPM that kills momentum.
3) the same applies for going downhill or off camber, in that toque vectoring of undulating and varying traction terrain leads to instability and loss of vehicle control on the limits of traction. And open diff, without a locker on, is far superior here, in that any torque on one wheel will be compensated for by the other side instantaneously and directional control is maintained even whilst the wheels are slipping down the hill. The point is you don't want lockers or TV here.

In the case of TM having a locker and open diff up the front will help, but without evidence to the contrary, and development of the TV to replicate the positive dynamics of a locker, it's unlikely to be as good in rock crawling as a DM. But as stated, as soon as you have some RPM on those wheels, the TV will allow for better on-road handling and dynamic control of the rear end, and even torque steering/drifting.

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[cvalue13]

What happens If I don’t like it, or something comes up and I need to sell? I have to sell it back to them for a discount of what I paid? I’m torn…

yes

A discount of an unknown amount

 

[cvalue13]

I have yet to see a legitimate source for this other than pure speculation which keeps getting repeated and treated as fact.

how about this:

I know for a fact that for a period the build plan was 1000 Foundation units

But I also know for a fact that the Foundation build plan may have extended to additional units

so whether you believe me or not, the end result is the same: it’ll be at least 1000 units, but possibly more


which comports with why, now that config emails are going out, there’s no mention of the *size* of the limited edition run

which info would definitely be there, if Tesla knew or wanted to paint itself into a corner

 

[davelloydbrown]

1125 has got to be the lowest number I've seen. here I was operating on the assumption that 1127 was the lowest reservation number

he is either mistaken or trolling, the lowest number is 112744100

 

[davelloydbrown]

Reservation RN112812***
So cal

Put in 2 preorders this was the first one. Can’t remember which one I preordered first the dual or the tri both with FSD.

I ordered the cyberbeast ended up being 122k or something like that.

Originally when I preordered it was 70k plus 7k for FSD and a range of 500mi?. So 77k total, not 122k, and less range. I haven’t decided if I’m going to go through with the purchase, but paid the non refundable $250. Just not sure I want to spend 122k+taxes/title on a truck. And the fact they put the “no resale” clause in there throws a real curve ball. What happens If I don’t like it, or something comes up and I need to sell? I have to sell it back to them for a discount of what I paid? I’m torn…

give them a good reason and they take off $0.25 per mile and any repairs needed

 

[Tjacquin]

RN 11274... Really wanted the Cyberbeast, but the range, coupled with 120k didn't make sense to me. Also, the aftermarket lightbar is the only added option exclusive to the Cyberbeast and didn't like the look of it.

FINALLY!!! May you all get your allocations soon! I also put down a $500 deposit for the range extender.

Edit: Non-employee, did not have a Tesla linked to this account, so it looks like they're actually going by the RN numbers, albeit prioritizing TX and CA

Congrats again. Do you have insurance for it, I have no luck so far finding a company

 

[maaficook]

Well, tell them, that you know a guy, me of course, and that I/you would like to exchange reservations. My slot for the “regular” CyberTruck, is set for roughly July 2024 delivery. So, that’s an option?! ?

I am willing to swap if this is allowed! What are the first 5 digits of your RN? Also, I reserved a dual...

 

[maaficook]

Congrats again. Do you have insurance for it, I have no luck so far finding a company

No Tesla insurance?

 

[Fleetwood75]

Has anybody with a 11288 or later been given an invitation? If I could build a Time Machine forget saving the world, I’d go back and tell myself not to wait a few hours that day while I thought over whether or not I wanted to place a reservation. It would seem based on RN’s that minutes counted that day, but who knew at the time ??‍?

 

[Tjacquin]

No Tesla insurance?

Hmm I'm new to tesla. Didn't know that they would/will have it?

 

[fhteagle]

Weirdly, it's not my first reservation (11277XXXX) that is configurable, but the second one (11278XXXX)

Yep, and your second res number is higher than my lowest one by quite a few too.

Unfortunately, @cvalue13 was completely right, "the line" is a myth. Invalidates every argument for the anti-reselling clause right there, if Tesla just picks arbitrarily who they want to sell to first.

 

[AustroTom]

Yep, and your second res number is higher than my lowest one by quite a few too.

Unfortunately, @cvalue13 was completely right, "the line" is a myth. Invalidates every argument for the anti-reselling clause right there, if Tesla just picks arbitrarily who they want to sell to first.

IS it possible that Tesla did, say, take the first 100K or so reservations, threw them in a "hat" and did sort of a lottery?

 

[Bkb13]

so whether you believe me or not, the end result is the same: it’ll be at least 1000 units, but possibly more

That would be interesting if they do. He could extend this to every day one reservation holder and very easily justify 50,000 foundation trucks…. That may end up being an entire first year worth of production.

 

[Chris9702L]

Has anybody with a 11288 or later been given an invitation? If I could build a Time Machine forget saving the world, I’d go back and tell myself not to wait a few hours that day while I thought over whether or not I wanted to place a reservation. It would seem based on RN’s that minutes counted that day, but who knew at the time ??‍?

It got to a low 1128 but haven’t seen any higher. I’m a 11284.

 

[tmeyer3]

IS it possible that Tesla did, say, take the first 100K or so reservations, threw them in a "hat" and did sort of a lottery?

That's entirely possible. Maybe, maaaaaaybe not! So fun!

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