Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[tenetke]

Screenshots are from videos, little harder to spoof, and the fact they they are coming from 3 different owners, 3 different parts of the country lends some legitimacy.

I remember getting incredible numbers when I first started driving my Lightning around. Some 30-40 mile drives were returning 8.8 miles/kwh. Definitely not realistic like the 1.2-1.9 miles/kwh I get consistently. I’m thinking in a CT with AT tires the range could be closer to 240-280 miles. As long as my driving style keeps getting me to a SC that is around 120-140 miles apart on road trips it’ll be perfectly fine for me. Seeing a range from someone with less than 1k miles driving doesn’t mean much to me.

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[dandor]

I found one of these studies and it’s more nuanced than 10%.

7% frequently tow
29% occasionally tow

That’s 36% or people who tow at least occasionally….

The majority of people that say they tow occasionally probably towed once in their life or are planning on towing something and never will. The Cybertruck will handle 90% of towing that people will do. Towing a boat to a local lake, towing a trailer for local jobs, and the occasional towing equipment from your local hardware store. Very few people tow long distance.

The people concerned about towing and range should not buy this vehicle. I personally will tow things locally and have no concerns about this truck. The people worried about towing 300 miles should be very concerned about this trucks limitations.

For an around town truck it can do anything that a F150 can do and maybe better if you have a place to charge overnight. I would say it will be better experience for 70% of pickup drivers. A whole lot of positives for it. However, if you are worried about not being able to drive 200 miles, you need to really think about this truck.

 

[Outdoors]

Lower the range goes, the more it becomes a pleasure toy exclusively. Much of the effectiveness for me goes away under 250. Then it becomes do I want to take the truck or the more efficient cars.

Really taking the fun out of owning an EV truck. Example. I want to overland in for 50 miles and park for 3 or 4 nights and camp. 50 miles isn't 50 miles in overlanding mode. Do some simple math. The idea of boondocking is starting to slip away.

 

[dandor]

That is way overestimating it. You would be in the 600-700 average max if you drive like a lunatic.

Check out Ford Lightening videos on YouTube and forums talking about range and efficiency. That data is much better than the cherry picked data used on the forum to try to figure the range of the Cybertruck.

 

[FirstRLast]

Lower the range goes, the more it becomes a pleasure toy exclusively. Much of the effectiveness for me goes away under 250. Then it becomes do I want to take the truck or the more efficient cars.

Really taking the fun out of owning an EV truck. Example. I want to overland in for 50 miles and park for 3 or 4 nights and camp. 50 miles isn't 50 miles in overlanding mode. Do some simple math. The idea of boondocking is starting to slip away.

Yup agreed. I want to take it way out and stay out camping for up to a week. So the range matters a lot to me. That’s why the original 500 mile range looked great. Also why a solar trickle charger that could pull like 5 to 10 miles a day would also be super helpful.

Anyways I still think these numbers we are seeing here are probably pretty inaccurate. Gotta just wait for out of spec to give us some real world range numbers.

 

[Gigahorse]

That is way overestimating it. You would be in the 600-700 average max if you drive like a lunatic.

Check out Ford Lightening videos on YouTube and forums talking about range and efficiency. That data is much better than the cherry picked data used on the forum to try to figure the range of the Cybertruck.

Current numbers are coming in over 800 in some cases. Family of 4 driving to see some relatives, not GTA teenager.

 

[Gigahorse]

A 21 mile trip should never be used for any type of analysis. Just be patient and let more data be available from people. Also note that we are in winter right now, which is the absolute worse time for an EV. Someone could spend 15 minutes sitting in their car blasting the heater before driving and make these numbers seem ridiculous.

This 21 mile section was not a trip, it was the distance between two supercharger locations on a 1,300 mile road trip.
Road trip for this AWD CT and others between 400-800 wh/mile which was a big range. This was a 63 mile stretch, no significant elevation gain and was 689 wh/mile. Maybe not an ideal test case but a reasonable speed (63mph), battery warm, not a lot of variables.
Gladly would look at any other real world data coming in but have not seen any outside these 3 cases.

 

[Gigahorse]

Yup agreed. I want to take it way out and stay out camping for up to a week. So the range matters a lot to me. That’s why the original 500 mile range looked great. Also why a solar trickle charger that could pull like 5 to 10 miles a day would also be super helpful.

Anyways I still think these numbers we are seeing here are probably pretty inaccurate. Gotta just wait for out of spec to give us some real world range numbers.

Yea these are not super scientific or perfect, but 3 long range road trips in real world scenarios, which is about 1000x more info than we had a couple days ago, and a month after release, after a 4 year wait it is better than nothing.

 

[dandor]

This 21 mile section was not a trip, it was the distance between two supercharger locations on a 1,300 mile road trip.
Road trip for this AWD CT and others between 400-800 wh/mile which was a big range. This was a 63 mile stretch, no significant elevation gain and was 689 wh/mile. Maybe not an ideal test case but a reasonable speed (63mph), battery warm, not a lot of variables.
Gladly would look at any other real world data coming in but have not seen any outside these 3 cases.

If you want to use a one way trip, then you need to know a few factors which are very significant! What do you mean by "no significant elevation gain?" Any type of elevation gain is very significant. What about the wind and wind direction? I will tell you that even a 10 mph cross wind can be noticeable for range. What was the humidity in the air? Drag can increase quite a bit with higher air density. So many variables that you are not considering.

It is doing more harm than good right now trying to figure out the real range. Just use the Ford Lightening to approximate mileage or wait for people to do real tests.

 

[Gigahorse]

If you want to use a one way trip, then you need to know a few factors which are very significant! What do you mean by "no significant elevation gain?" Any type of elevation gain is very significant. What about the wind and wind direction? I will tell you that even a 10 mph cross wind can be noticeable for range. What was the humidity in the air? Drag can increase quite a bit with higher air density. So many variables that you are not considering.

It is doing more harm than good right now trying to figure out the real range. Just use the Ford Lightening to approximate mileage or wait for people to do real tests.

That is one excerpt from a 1200+ mile road trip, an that 689 wh/mile over 20 miles was some of the best efficiency.
If you can drive the truck for over 1000 miles without stopping other to supercharge in the real world and be looking at north of 700 wh/mile it is not exact science but gives you a pretty good idea.

Not really concerned about 2-3% here or there, concerned that 3 people doing over 1000 mile road trips are all getting a real world range of sub 200, and that is the ONLY data we have from the real world.

Thousands of real world miles getting reported across multiple vehicles, and vast majority are over 600 wh/mile with some in the 800s

 

[CyberMoose]

People constantly talking as if range is everything and using minimal information to try to forge their opinions.

It's a couple of drives, by new owners, one of which says his bad range and follows up with it got much much much better when they started driving normal.

Does every EV get the range they are listed as? no. Do any of them? not that I know of.

Do ICE vehicles even get their listen MPG? Last I checked those are for ideal conditions and you have to take them with a grain of salt.

It is possible to get better range than what it is listed as too. Just like when I'm strictly doing home to work to home driving, my model 3 gets much better range than when I'm out with friends or driving for fun.

I drive a lot, but luckily it's mostly local and I get to park at home or a friends house over night. I still, in almost 2 years, have never once used a supercharger or any other public charger. It's not even a problem if I need to, it's still cheaper than filling up at a gas station and I can run an errand while I do it.

If we were to compare the Cybertruck to the F150. Yes the F150 will have better range. It will also cost more to fill up, it will also require you go to a gas station to fill up, it will also require you to get oil changes which you will have to go and get done. While the Cybertruck will be cheaper to drive and while charging takes longer, you can get something to eat, buy groceries, or go do something while it's charging. You also have the option to just plug in at home. Since the vast majority of people don't drive so far that they have to fill up daily, this will ultimately save them much more time being able to just plug in at home.

So if someone is driving long distances every day where they will need to fill up or charge very often, the Cybertruck will take longer and might not be the vehicle for them, unless they have things to do while it charges. Which will be a big benefit for the Cybertruck as more and more chargers are built in places that people park often (work, grocery store, college, malls, movie theater).

The only other reason to absolutely need the range is constantly going into areas that doesn't have ways for you to charge up.

But you aren't getting the listed range / MPG in any vehicle with real world driving. and if you really need a specific range or more for any reason and can't go lower than that, you will want to wait for actual range reviews, not just some youtube video that mentions the range. I'm sure it won't be more than a month or two before we start seeing videos with in depth looks into the range and how far you can go with average driving.

I have confidence that the real world range won't be drastically different than the listed compared to the difference of their other models.

 

[Sjohnson20]

I’m expecting 250 miles of range on the highway.

 

[CyberMoose]

That is one excerpt from a 1200+ mile road trip, an that 689 wh/mile over 20 miles was some of the best efficiency.
If you can drive the truck for over 1000 miles without stopping other to supercharge in the real world and be looking at north of 700 wh/mile it is not exact science but gives you a pretty good idea.

Not really concerned about 2-3% here or there, concerned that 3 people doing over 1000 mile road trips are all getting a real world range of sub 200, and that is the ONLY data we have from the real world.

Thousands of real world miles getting reported across multiple vehicles, and vast majority are over 600 wh/mile with some in the 800s

My first week with my Model 3 was shit compared to now. Which one of them already mentioned they got better range than when they first started driving (by a lot).

We need to wait for actual range videos. By people that drive like a normal person would in their day to day driving.

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