Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[ÆCIII]

I'm not reading through all the posts, because 20 miles is not a fraction enough to bring a large pack (and drive units) to optimal performance temperatures regardless of how awesome a fluid loop through them may be.

My Model 3 consistently gets worse efficiency at the very start of a trip but then always improves the more distance covered. I've verified this numerous times swiping my trip stats on the screen and looking at the energy graphs.

Let's see some real range tests from 90 percent to 10 percent SOC at various temps, or even get the DÆRIK guys to hypermile the CT also? I think a Cybertruck hypermile test would be cool.

But, why be excitable over a 20 mile sliver? IMO that's kind of like deputy Barney Fife temperament.

I'm guilty of mostly reading only the title, but a thread title should reflect relevant key points and not be misleading.

Happy New Year everyone!

- ÆCIII

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[JBee]

I'm not reading through all the posts, because 20 miles is not a fraction enough to bring a large pack (and drive units) to optimal performance temperatures regardless of how awesome a fluid loop through them may be.

My Model 3 consistently gets worse efficiency at the very start of a trip but then always improves the more distance covered. I've verified this numerous times swiping my trip stats on the screen and looking at the energy graphs.

Let's see some real range tests from 90 percent to 10 percent SOC at various temps, or even get the DÆRIK guys to hypermile the CT also? I think a Cybertruck hypermile test would be cool.

But, why be excitable over a 20 mile sliver? IMO that's kind of like deputy Barney Fife temperament.

Happy New Year everyone!

- ÆCIII

There was more range information than that, the convo just landed here and the title didn't change.

 

[newwave1331]

That's false. Both my wife's Long Range Model 3 and my Performance Model 3 have lifetime consumption averages better than the EPA combined rating.

Can you take a screenshot of each vehicles' trip meters and show the trip meter with the most amount of miles on it to back this up?

 

[JBee]

Can you take a screenshot of each vehicles' trip meters and show the trip meter with the most amount of miles on it to back this up?

I would like to see this too.

I doubt we will, because there's a physics problem and EPA tests are rubbish to begin with.

 

[fritter63]

I'm not reading through all the posts, because 20 miles is not a

- ÆCIII

Read the OP. Moderator has summarized the thread there.

ETA: Take an anti-depresent first.

 

[newwave1331]

I would like to see this too.

I doubt we will, because there's a physics problem and EPA tests are rubbish to begin with.

True on EPA rating. Fleet data says @HaulingAss is not the norm but I was just interested seeing two vehicles within one family to exceed the EPA ratings while....

And I floor the thing almost every opportunity I get.

 

[LarryASilva]

From what I’ve read, very casually, battery tech may improve ~ 25% over(averaging over all battery types) the next 10 yrs… so….

Respectfully, may I suggest you may want to read a bit more and broadly. Dozens of companies around the world are in a competition to come up with ever greater battery recipes. Companies such as QuantumScape, Ampirus, One ... and our very own NASA are already within a year or two of doubling current ranges with actual product. The MAIN motivation for this increased power ... is the goal of FAA certified fire safe and lightweight batteries to make aviation via electric motors possible. EVs benefit too from these much more power dense and fire-safe battery recipes
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QuantumScape and Ampirus are now providing samples to OEMs for evaluation. NASA is partnering with Nissan to have a USA factory in 2025. The battery company ONE claims it will have in 2025 ... well ... you can read it in the link below. Most of these companies are working with schemes to replace graphite with silicone. NASA is doing its magic with sulfer in the mix. As a non-expert, I do not pretend to understand where this is all going or who the big winners will be ... but ... without a doubt ... we are destined to see one hell of a lot more than a 25 percent range increase in 10 years. Matter of fact ... the magic black box that powers new electric vehicles in 10 years might not even be called a battery anymore. When almost all of us can drive our vacations round trip without bothering to charge up till we return to our home garages ... we may well see a day in 10-15 years when today's superchargers fade away as phone booths have.
Range | Our Next Energy (one.ai)

 

[Woodrick]

I would like to see this too.

I doubt we will, because there's a physics problem and EPA tests are rubbish to begin with.

What physics problem. The Model 3 has a demonstrated over 600 mile range.

Stay below 60 (or at least average it) and EPA numbers are easy. I do it all the time.

 

[cvalue13]

What physics problem. The Model 3 has a demonstrated over 600 mile range.

Stay below 60 (or at least average it) and EPA numbers are easy. I do it all the time.

but have you, on average, done it over the entire life of not one but two vehicles?

that’s the obvious point of interest here

Nobody you’re @‘ing is unaware of how BEV range works

 

[Woodrick]

but have you, on average, done it over the entire life of not one but two vehicles?

that’s the obvious point of interest here

Nobody you’re @‘ing is unaware of how BEV range works

No

But I'm not the little old man that has an odometer with 12,000 miles on a 1980 Cadillac driving it back and forth to church.

it's just different driving habits.

 

[cvalue13]

No

But I'm not the little old man that has an odometer with 12,000 miles on a 1980 Cadillac driving it back and forth to church.

it's just different driving habits.

I mean, his handle is ‘haulingass’ so inquiring minds…

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[JBee]

I mean, his handle is ‘haulingass’ so inquiring minds…

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Obviously, @HaulingAss has seen @newwave1331 request for proof seeing he liked the next posts.

But dare anyone say the Cybertruck has poor range, anyone that does should henceforth be labelled a denier of the faith, because the almighty Cybertruck ball bearings haven't been worn in yet.

LMAO. ?

Actually in saying that I fully expect the Cybertruck to go further than a M3 at very low speed, where aerodynamic drag plays little role, because it has a much battery larger pack, but not as much of a gain in rolling resistance in comparison, if on street tyres like the M3.

So worse at high speed but better at low speed than a M3. If you hypermile in town and avoid regen and high speeds, it could even have more range in town as well.

 

[HaulingAss]

Can you take a screenshot of each vehicles' trip meters and show the trip meter with the most amount of miles on it to back this up?

I wouldn't lie about this. We have three Model 3 Tesla, all 2018 models, two of them are Long Range RWD and one is AWD Performance. Here are the official EPA efficiency numbers for both of them:

Compare Side-by-Side (fueleconomy.gov)

The two rear wheel drive are rated at 260 Wh/mile and the Performance is rated at 290 Wh/mile.

RWD #1 94,530 miles, efficiency: 230 Wh/mile
RWD #2 71,315 miles, efficiency: 249 Wh/mile
M3Perf 28,847 miles, efficiency: 277 Wh/mile

Keep in mind, we do not concern ourselves with trying to be more efficient, we crank the heater to drive away the cold damp winters, use the A/C to stay cool as cucumbers during hot weather and use the Performance Model to make the snowy climb to ski areas in the winter, and never hesitate to floor them just for the hell of it. RWD #1 and M3Perf get winter tires for 3-4 months of the winter. I keep a radar detector in the Performance model and don't hesitate to drive at illegal speeds when traffic allows. The pictures are in the same order as the stats above.

These cars are just naturally efficient and all the noise about Tesla exaggerating their range figures is simply BS. About 20% of the miles on the Performance Model 3 had ski racks mounted on the roof and its lifetime efficiency still beats the EPA efficiency numbers, even with me driving it like I stole it. My wife drives normally, far from conservative (she has been known to take pleasure dusting people through our two-lane roundabouts and sprinting ahead of them before the two lanes merge into one after exiting the roundabouts). I love me a good set of twisties driven close to the ragged edge or a fast early morning trip across Eastern Washington in the xxx digits.

 

[HaulingAss]

Also, the EPA link in my previous post has 6 submissions for owners actual real-world EPA mileage, and all six of them handily beat the official EPA efficiency numbers, just like all three of our cars do.

 

[HaulingAss]

I would like to see this too.

I doubt we will, because there's a physics problem and EPA tests are rubbish to begin with.

What is this "physics problem" you speak of?

Pics are above, read 'em and weep.

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