Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Gigahorse]

You will never get anywhere if you don't start somewhere.

You are not the first one with this argument and you won't be the last. It's simple range anxiety and has been experienced by just about every EV owner.

I had an 88-mile range Leaf that barely could get anywhere, but yet it got a lot further than 88 miles from home, and that was 8 years ago when there really were few chargers. I then had a Leaf with something like 150 miles, it easily made it to many places.
My Model 3 and Model Y have made it to everywhere we've tried and there's nowhere we haven't tried because of the car. I ALWAYS know that I can drop to a J-1772 if I miss something. And if not a J-1772, then a NEMA 14-50 at a campground and finally a basic 120V outlet, which is available just about everywhere.

Once did I think that I even stopped for a J-1772 for safety. I did have to drop the trailer on one trip, because I foolheartedly skipped a charger. But I was just a few miles away and made it to the Supercharger. (Butt cheeks were indeed tight)

You don't know how much towing range you will have until you try it. Wind resistance is probably a much bigger factor than weight.

I don't have an ICE vehicle. I've traveled from the tip of Florida to Chicago and from the east coast past the Mississippi. Over the years, there may have been a few tight situations, slowing down always fixed it.

How many times do you tow. If it is a few and towing with the Cybertruck is an option, then look into a rental. (I also had that as an option that I never needed)

I will guarantee you that next year will be easier than this year and that for a number of years forward, it will get significantly easier.

But for 95% of most people's driving it doesn't matter, because we charge at home, never worry about the range, don't have to go the the gas station weekly, don't have to worry about oil changes.

It we were going from electric to gas, I expect that you would complain just as loudly, because of all of the out of the way things that you have to do as an EV owner.

I've had a few needs for service over the last couple years, mostly minor. I've never even had to take it to Service, mobile service just some out and fixes it.

All good points, but after waiting 4 years for a 500+ mile vehicle and now seeing that people are getting less than 200 miles of range WIHOUT a trailer due to the really small battery pack it feels like a pretty big rug pull from Tesla.

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[Diveflyfish]

One question, are we sure the CB will not come with a larger battery? Is it possible that the small number of CB variants may have more in them that may be software sequestered?

 

[Woodrick]

All good points, but after waiting 4 years for a 500+ mile vehicle and now seeing that people are getting less than 200 miles of range WIHOUT a trailer due to the really small battery pack it feels like a pretty big rug pull from Tesla.

Sure, okay, but your statement is incorrect. More than 200 miles has already been shown.
"Really small battery pack" is so hilarious when compared to the other Tesla battery packs.

As your signature suggests, you've got to unlearn a lot of what you learned with your 1 million miles on ICE Toyotas"

As the rules were different when Toyota came out with the Prius, they are even more different with BEVs.

Maybe the Cybertruck won't work for you. Maybe it will.

You will never get anywhere if you don't start somewhere.

 

[Woodrick]

One question, are we sure the CB will not come with a larger battery? Is it possible that the small number of CB variants may have more in them that may be software sequestered?

The battery between the AWD and the Beast will be the same. There is additional capacity in the soon to come Range Extender.

Software restricted batteries generally come when Tesla puts out a lower range vehicle and then determines that it is cheaper to build with the bigger pack than to build a smaller pack.

And there is a little evidence in this in that the Beast is rated at a lower range already.

 

[Diveflyfish]

And there is a little evidence in this in that the Beast is rated at a lower range already.

Without tear down, all of this is conjecture and cannot be ruled out unless insider engineering confirmation right?

 

[Diveflyfish]

Perhaps this is another clever let’s draw attention to the CB like the ball bearing was to the window…….. fail leading to victory?

 

[JBee]

All multi motor Teslas optimise the drivetrain configuration for range by turning the induction motor(s) off whenever possible.

In fact you will find that for most driving, except for fast acceleration, uphill, and traction loss the induction motor simply stays off all together. The switching in and off is seamless and unnoticeable, and can occur in a fraction of a second.

The second other motor is mostly a PM but there are some induction versions on MX models. All of these vehicles have enough performance from one single motor to run over 100mph but that is seldom how it's used, in that motors are engaged according to rpm and load and how that relates to the energy efficiency heat map to improve overall efficiency. Electric motors vary around 5-10% depending on rpm, so they strategically use different gearing ratios for each motor so they can expand the efficiency and performance envelope.

Note that Tesla motors in general are notoriously under rated for continuous load, but have a high peak rating for acceleration. The reason is simply to optimise size and efficiency for range.

With electric motors peak output is mostly a matter of managing thermals that are generated in sub-5 second spurts. That's why the Plaid had an upgraded cooling system, so it can sustain peak loads for longer, but even then that was only for "minutes" around the Nurburgring as that is one of the most extreme situations for peak load you can ever have, in that the corners require full throttle and full regen braking which both create excessive thermals.

From what I understand the Plaid is the only model that doesn't switch any motors off as they are all PM.

 

[Bankercobb]

Boomers don't buy a Cybertruck. So

Doubt you would say that to my face. You are the one hiding behind the keyboard. Internet tough guy here. ?

Aren't we both behind a keyboard? ?‍

And definitely would say it to your face. Odd reaction, from the one that started with a disrespectful post to a innocent member of the forum. Seems you were speaking to the mirror.

 

[dandor]

Aren't we both behind a keyboard? ?‍

And definitely would say it to your face. Odd reaction, from the one that started with a disrespectful post to a innocent member of the forum. Seems you were speaking to the mirror.

You are an expert at disrespectful posts, so I will concede to you there.

 

[JBee]

Without tear down, all of this is conjecture and cannot be ruled out unless insider engineering confirmation right?

Some of this is derived from conversions and interviews with insiders that have been know even prior to the delivery event.

There are supply constraints that will limit CB throughout the year, and EM seems to have made a decision to limit range accross models to get more AWD units out the door so there is only one 1366cell pack for now.

Extra capacity will be added in the form of cell improvements over time.

 

[Woodrick]

Without tear down, all of this is conjecture and cannot be ruled out unless insider engineering confirmation right?

Not really. Why would Tesla put a bigger battery in the vehicle, not tell anyone about it, and then have a battery extender?

It was obvious that they weren't that happy with what they had to deliver, they wanted more as well.

 

[cvalue13]

Without tear down, all of this is conjecture and cannot be ruled out unless insider engineering confirmation right?

doesn’t take being very insider

the Ct does not have a software limited pack

they were squeezing in every bit of milage in, right up to the last minute

and aren’t done with that effort yet

 

[Crissa]

All good points, but after waiting 4 years for a 500+ mile vehicle and now seeing that people are getting less than 200 miles of range WIHOUT a trailer due to the really small battery pack it feels like a pretty big rug pull from Tesla.

...Again, are you trolling or what?

Freeway range and EPA ranges are not the same thing, they have never been the same, so why do you keep repeating this?

-Crissa

 

[Gigahorse]

Sure, okay, but your statement is incorrect. More than 200 miles has already been shown.
"Really small battery pack" is so hilarious when compared to the other Tesla battery packs.

As your signature suggests, you've got to unlearn a lot of what you learned with your 1 million miles on ICE Toyotas"

As the rules were different when Toyota came out with the Prius, they are even more different with BEVs.

Maybe the Cybertruck won't work for you. Maybe it will.

You will never get anywhere if you don't start somewhere.

Sure the CT battery pack is bigger than small sedans, but it is a ton bigger and the drag coefficient/ wh/mile is way worse so the only way to make it have comparable range is a larger battery pack.

Lot of info and video coming out now that there are a dozen or so of these trucks in the wild.
200 miles of range and an hour to charge to 75% so you can make it to the next SC is pretty rough.

 

[Gigahorse]

...Again, are you trolling or what?

Freeway range and EPA ranges are not the same thing, they have never been the same, so why do you keep repeating this?

-Crissa

Because mixed mileage drivers are getting less than EPA ranges, significantly.
4 years of "500+" miles has turned out to be low 200s with an hour to charge in order to get to the next supercharger, that is pretty rough.

I think a lot of us could deal with 200 miles of range (without towing) if it did not require 40-60 mins of charging to make it to the next supercharger)

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