Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Woodrick]

Low % charge the quickest, but the issue is if they took the % lower they would not make it to the next supercharger. This was a trip to get from point A to B (with a bunch of SC stops) and not a maximize charging trip. Especially out West and in rural areas you don't have the choice between charging at 15% or 2% your choice is to charge at 15% or run out of energy and get towed 60 miles.

You'll need to drive over 1,000 miles before you even come close to the same situation.

I can also find places that if you go, you will run out of gas. Happy?

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[Gigahorse]

You'll need to drive over 1,000 miles before you even come close to the same situation.

I can also find places that if you go, you will run out of gas. Happy?

Don't know of any production cars ICE cars that can't make it 50-100 miles which is rare to go without seeing a gas station.
Superchargers in some areas are 150 miles apart which means that sometimes an hour charge session may be needed if Tesla can't get charge time down on CT with software updates.

 

[scottyah]

You evidently have no idea how Tesla EVs work. I just finished travelling 2400 miles in December in my Model Y. I have question that the Cybertruck will be able to do the exact same thing.
I have no problems heading into the mountains and back out for a weekend.
I've pulled a boat from Atlanta to Tampa.

I have no question that the Cybertruck will be able to do all that and more.


Where have I not been able to get in my Model 3? We were heading down a road a few years ago and decided that it was time to turn around, after all the ruts were over 6 inches deep and getting deeper. I have no question that I can easily go beyond that in the Cybrertruck.

You are in freaking San Diego, you have no idea how far you would have to go to get even 100 miles beyond a Supercharger. California is littered with Superchargers all over the place.

I've driven my Tesla on numerous trips that extended from Miami to Chicago and from the Atlantis well past the Mississippi.

200 mile weekend warrior trip ROTFLMAO, try a 36 hour from Atlanta to Cape Canaveral for a launch and back, a 1,000 mile trip, in a Tesla.

East coaster, makes sense. It’s 100 miles from one side of the yellow area to the other. I never said there’s no charges on the way to Sequoia, just that I don’t want to spend 3hrs charging, though I understand reading comprehension can be difficult for some.
Same posts from the same people either unable to read or lack enough reasoning ability to be able to hold their tongue.

 

[BlackCyber]

Im concerned. My intention is to replace my pickup work truck with the CT . Just looked over my tools I carry every day and its actually over 200lbs in a colder climate.

damn

 

[Woodrick]

East coaster, makes sense. It’s 100 miles from one side of the yellow area to the other. I never said there’s no charges on the way to Sequoia, just that I don’t want to spend 3hrs charging, though I understand reading comprehension can be difficult for some.
Same posts from the same people either unable to read or lack enough reasoning ability to be able to hold their tongue.

That's a 200 mile trip at lower speeds. Shouldn't really be an issue.
If you happen to be near any civilization / campgrounds, that may give you enough to be more comfortable.

 

[Woodrick]

Don't know of any production cars ICE cars that can't make it 50-100 miles which is rare to go without seeing a gas station.
Superchargers in some areas are 150 miles apart which means that sometimes an hour charge session may be needed if Tesla can't get charge time down on CT with software updates.

Dou you want to play in this forum, learn a little and get the truck or are you just going to be a troll?

Need to take one position or another. Do you want help or just troll.

 

[Woodrick]

Im concerned. My intention is to replace my pickup work truck with the CT . Just looked over my tools I carry every day and its actually over 200lbs in a colder climate.

damn

I wouldn't make that big a deal about the weight. How much do you drive every day? Can you plug in at night? Even a 120V plug (to warm things up before you leave in the AM) helps. 240V 50A recommended.

 

[Gigahorse]

Im concerned. My intention is to replace my pickup work truck with the CT . Just looked over my tools I carry every day and its actually over 200lbs in a colder climate.

damn

CT will be my new work truck if these range and charge numbers improve with deliveries, which I really hope they do.
Currently with 200 miles of range and an hour to charge at a supercharger I can't swing it

 

[cvalue13]

The cybertruck on the Announcement Day slides was *PERFECT* for this.

one little quibble:

500 ‘Tesla miles’ in 2019 was never going to be 500 miles

you’re to that extent comparing a dream against a reality

it’s not entirely devoid of meaning, just a tiny quibble that you have not swung down all the way from a *perfect* vehicle

end of day, you’re right and can move on: Tesla is not selling a 500mi BEV truck

 

[HitchHiker71]

I don’t understand the malfunction

the EPA blended is a standard, just like a 12” ruler

you seem to keep responding “but this real world stick in my hand is bent, so the ruler keeps saying 12”, but the stick is actually longer than that”


you keep just using the words “real world” to magically gloss over the substance of all you’re actually saying:

if the line you’re measuring isn’t straight, the 12” ruler isn’t giving you accurate information

yeah, we get it.

And we get it because that bare observation is no different than any other BEV or ICE vehicle wrt EPA




Let me come at this a different way.

EVERY one of your critiques would be entirely undercut if on Tesla’s website instead of reading “320mi (est.)” it read “320mi (est) - YMMV, based on factors such as speed, weather conditions and elevation change.”

what people here are trying to tell you: the additional “YMMV” isn’t included on Tesla’s website because they’re deceiving you, it’s not on the website because it’s so obvious it goes without saying

not that it’s entirely absent from the Resla website:

IMHO at least some of these issues could be resolved if the EPA would simply update their BEV testing to mimic the existing ICE vehicle reported results. For ICE vehicles, we get three simple numbers - MPG city, MPG highway, MPG combined. I realize that MPGe is reported in this fashion for BEVs, but most traditional consumers don't understand what that even means and don't know how to convert MPGe into actual range. If the EPA would simply amend their window sticker requirements to include city range, highway range, and combined range, I think it would be much more useful for normal automotive consumers and would eliminate at least some of the FUD regarding BEVs.

 

[Woodrick]

IMHO all of these issues could be resolved if the EPA would simply update their BEV testing to mimic the existing ICE vehicle reported results. For ICE vehicles, we get three simple numbers - MPG city, MPG highway, MPG combined. I realize that MPGe is reported in this fashion for BEVs, but most traditional consumers don't understand what that even means and don't know how to convert MPGe into actual range. If the EPA would simply amend their window sticker requirements to include city range, highway range, and combined range, I think it would be much more useful for normal automotive consumers and would eliminate at least some of the FUD regarding BEVs.

EPA provides the same numbers for EVs as they do ICE. The Cybertruck's numbers just haven't been posted yet.

And honestly, I'd say that 50% of the car buyers don't know how to interpret or even look at the EPA numbers on a car. And for another 25%, all they know is the bigger the better.

The thing to remember is that the Model Y is the #1 selling car in America and it has essentially the same numbers. That's all that probably 80% of the people will care about.

 

[cvalue13]

IMHO all of these issues could be resolved if the EPA would simply update their BEV testing to mimic the existing ICE vehicle reported results. For ICE vehicles, we get three simple numbers - MPG city, MPG highway, MPG combined. I realize that MPGe is reported in this fashion for BEVs, but most traditional consumers don't understand what that even means and don't know how to convert MPGe into actual range. If the EPA would simply amend their window sticker requirements to include city range, highway range, and combined range, I think it would be much more useful for normal automotive consumers and would eliminate at least some of the FUD regarding BEVs.

maybe average folks do just need every EPA step hand-held. Afterall bleach bottles say “don’t drink me”

im less certain about what to do instead for folks on this forum with thousands of BEV miles under their belts who somehow remain incensed that the Tesla website reports a single headline number




Meanwhile, here’s a challenge Tesla has as a corporate/marketing matter.

Many of the people here incensed by that number, are either people with genuine population edge cases (eg they do way more sustained highway driving “away” from charging infra than average) or people with irrational focus on their own individual edge cases (eg they drive near average, and rarely do sustained highway driving “away” from charging infra).

Which is to say, statistically and realistically this additional data being sought at the top banner of the website is of relatively marginal importance to the overall and average function of the car.

Placing that marginal info front-and-center would potentially over emphasize its importance?

If that seems somehow sketchy of Tesla etc., I note that people here mad about that headline number seem completely sanguine about things like this:

Notice there’s not a single Cybertruck in existence that simultaneously has a 2.6 sec 0-60 and a 340mi combined range.

Notice there’s a single Cybertruck configuration that actually has 2,500lbs payload

There of dozens of these types of things on Tesla’s website.

Hell they say it has a 6’ bed ??‍

It’s a company selling a product. Not a journalist seeking a Pulitzer?

 

[HitchHiker71]

It's the travel 2 or so hours and then charge to stupid numbers that just ain't the way to do it.

OMG is the only thing that I could say when I saw the 15-90% charge. That's definition neophyte. They basically proved my points.

It's just not the way to drive an EV.


If you want to know why the Tesla Fanboys keep telling you what they do, then listen to what we say.
Driving 75 mph is going to kill your range.
Your range doesn't matter.
The country is literally covered (except for very few areas with no on in them) with Superchargers.
If you want to travel fast, there are ways to do so and significantly speed your trip up. (but use more energy)
But most people only travel maybe once a year anyway.

For the other 360 days a year that you plug in at home? You have a full tank every day and probably only use a few percent of it.

I understand what you're saying - and personally I agree - but here's what the fanboy base doesn't seem to understand or seems to simply dismiss. Traditional automotive consumers are likely never going to do what you're saying here. This is the same argument I repeatedly have with a few of my Tesla fanboy friends. The alpha early adopters will do this. They will not follow the navigation recommendations, and instead calculate their own best route using lower SoC as you're outlining here. But that's not what the navigation software does, and for the vast majority of traditional automotive consumers - they will never go to this level of detail to use their vehicle. The beta early adopters will do this - like me - but I have spoken to so many more traditional automotive consumers and when I go down this path - their answer is simple - if what you're saying is true about maintainin a lower SoC and stopping more often - then why doesn't the inbuilt navigation software do it? That's a very legitimate question. Does anyone have to do this with ICE vehicles? Nope. And many people travel more often than once a year. We are in our early 50's and we travel monthly to destinations within a 2-3 hour drive - and several times a year to destinations within a 5-6 hour drive - in addition to our 1-2 week long family vacations. Fortunately we don't tow for those trips. We typically time our longer 5-6 hour (250-300 mile one way) trips such that we stop for lunch/dinner and charge from 10-90% since we are sitting in a restaurant anyways, so why not, that way we aren't running on fumes when we arrive at our destination. The shorter 2-3 hour drives we simply charge up to 95-100% before leaving home and we generally arrive at our destination with 35-50% charge left - so easy peasy.

The above concerns are as an investor/stockholder primarily - as Tesla is now bumping up against saturation of early adopters and if Tesla doesn't solve for these problems within the software itself - then the more traditional automotive consumers will simply continue to purchase ICE/HEV/PHEV vehicles instead. Lastly, I totally agree that it makes zero sense for most consumers to not buy a BEV based upon the exceptions and not the rules with respect to what you're saying about 360 vs 365 days a year. I've often said this myself on other BEV forums. The logic doesn't make sense to me or to you obviously - but then again - the customer is generally always right - regardless of whether their logic pans out or makes sense to us.

 

[Celiboy]

CT will be my new work truck if these range and charge numbers improve with deliveries, which I really hope they do.
Currently with 200 miles of range and an hour to charge at a supercharger I can't swing it

I’m honestly curious if the current truck with its current battery takes an hour to charge, which is unacceptable in your opinion, do you believe that range will increase in the future but charging time for that extra range will decrease? I would imagine if Tesla was able to install a battery pack capable of 500 miles of range it would take some time to charge all those extra batteries even if you’d have less stops on a trip.

 

[Gigahorse]

I’m honestly curious if the current truck with its current battery takes an hour to charge, which is unacceptable in your opinion, do you believe that range will increase in the future but charging time for that extra range will decrease? I would imagine if Tesla was able to install a battery pack capable of 500 miles of range it would take some time to charge all those extra batteries even if you’d have less stops on a trip.

Hopeful for both.
1. If it has a bigger battery pack it will allow for fewer charging stops AND the option to choose V3 instead of V2 chargers which will result in faster charging
2. If Tesla can increase the charge rate for the cells and get a better charging curve this will reduce charging time
3. With better range there will be more trips that require none, or only maybe 1 supercharge instead of multiple

That is the hope anyway, the current system of a small battery/range and slow charging times does not seem viable
1. Short range, forced to stop more and at V2 superchargers
2. Current charge curve is bad/slow
3. Short range means a more charges per trip

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