Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Gigahorse]

So with what we know now, which unless Tesla dazzles us with a big software update is likely what the CT is going to look like for some time.

AWD CT Costs $113k out the door (may be more depending on your state taxes etc)
AWD CT has about 208 miles of range (AWD with AS Tires)
AWD CT takes about 1-2 hours to charge 10-80% (v2-v3 supercharger)


Vehicle has a ton of cool features like steer by wire, storage options, modular systems in vault.
But the cost/range/charge I think is pretty far from what a lot of us were expecting.

Hopefully Tesla pushes some BIG software updates and drops this early pricing soon

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[Gigahorse]

Ok thanks. So is the charge curve something that can be manipulated once there’s more data or is it fixed?

That is the hope, is that the current charge curve is significantly hamstrung by software by Tesla, every day that goes by that possibility becomes more and more remote, but currently that is the only real hope that the charge times get reasonable is that Tesla releases software limitations that allow for decent charge times.

 

[Gigahorse]

With three separate reports of people going from TX to CA with their CTs range and charge speed are quickly becoming apparent.
After going through some videos, vlogs, etc, looking at people's route and mapping it via ABRP with current CT real world range there are some 1+ hour stops needed and in order to make it from one SC to another in some rural areas a low speed on the highway is needed.

 

[Gigahorse]

Should also be noted that despite changing charging options to get the most ideal charging curve it currently looks like about 35% of a total trip will be spent charging.

 

[Woodrick]

With three separate reports of people going from TX to CA with their CTs range and charge speed are quickly becoming apparent.

Yes, they made it. That's 1200 mile trip in a truck for which a few don't believe can go 200 miles.

And it's a drive that very few people ever get a chance to do, because it is considered "too far" in an ICE vehicle.

 

[Gigahorse]

FINALLY got some good news on range.
553 miles of commute driving (to and from work for a week)
This 500+ rough range test is almost all out and back trips from the owners home, so elevation and wind impacts are minimized.
All city driving with a max speed of 55 MPH, has not been on the highway since trip reset.
No significant weight hauled in truck, temp range in CA 55-75f

BUT at 453 wh/mile this would put the real world range of this AWD CT with AS tires at 271 miles of real world range. Granted this is just city/town driving but this is one of the first significant mileage out/back style range reports that has the CT significantly over 200 miles of real world range.

GREAT news for people doing in town driving!

 

[Woodrick]

FINALLY got some good news on range.
553 miles of commute driving (to and from work for a week)
This 500+ rough range test is almost all out and back trips from the owners home, so elevation and wind impacts are minimized.
All city driving with a max speed of 55 MPH, has not been on the highway since trip reset.
No significant weight hauled in truck, temp range in CA 55-75f

BUT at 453 wh/mile this would put the real world range of this AWD CT with AS tires at 271 miles of real world range. Granted this is just city/town driving but this is one of the first significant mileage out/back style range reports that has the CT significantly over 200 miles of real world range.

GREAT news for people doing in town driving!

What? You mean that what the Tesla owners have been saying all along may be correct?

 

[Gigahorse]

Owner did 400 miles of eco driving (399) to and from work.
No launching, no speeding, and a max speed of 55mph. He mentioned in the video he was not hypermiling but trying to get the most efficient drive he could within reason.
CA driver, low temp of 53 high of 79
He got efficiency all the way up to 274 miles of range which is really good compared to other people, he mentioned a couple of times he was trying to maximize efficiency within reason and without being unsafe.

 

[Woodrick]

Owner did 400 miles of eco driving (399) to and from work.
No launching, no speeding, and a max speed of 55mph. He mentioned in the video he was not hypermiling but trying to get the most efficient drive he could within reason.
CA driver, low temp of 53 high of 79
He got efficiency all the way up to 274 miles of range which is really good compared to other people, he mentioned a couple of times he was trying to maximize efficiency within reason and without being unsafe.

Isn't that what we have been saying all along? Little bit of tweaking beyond his numbers and you are over the spec'd range.

 

[Gigahorse]

Isn't that what we have been saying all along? Little bit of tweaking beyond his numbers and you are over the spec'd range.

The two best range reports in so far show about 275 miles of real world range, those are under not quite hypermiling but pretty good conditions, not highway, low speed, no payload, low speeds.

So if what you have been saying all along is "you can get up to 275 miles if you hypermile a CT" then yes.

The other 10+ reports of real world range are showing 200 miles of real world range, some worse.
So hopefully this one and others like it begin to become the norm, not like the vast majority of others.

 

[Gigahorse]

Third towing test concluded, will update when full info is compiled, but not looking good

 

[Woodrick]

The two best range reports in so far show about 275 miles of real world range, those are under not quite hypermiling but pretty good conditions, not highway, low speed, no payload, low speeds.

So if what you have been saying all along is "you can get up to 275 miles if you hypermile a CT" then yes.

The other 10+ reports of real world range are showing 200 miles of real world range, some worse.
So hopefully this one and others like it begin to become the norm, not like the vast majority of others.

Still missing the point. You aren't listening to what the Tesla folks are saying. 320 miles is a realistic range. And we're not talking hypermiling.

It was only a few days that you were spouting 200 miles range. But again, range really doesn't matter.

 

[Gigahorse]

Still missing the point. You aren't listening to what the Tesla folks are saying. 320 miles is a realistic range. And we're not talking hypermiling.

It was only a few days that you were spouting 200 miles range. But again, range really doesn't matter.

About a dozen mileage reports in, and the average real world range is closer to 200 than 300 unfortunately.
Those #s will likely improve with software releases and drivers getting over the "wow look how fast it accelerates" but as of now that is the data we have, as the official EPA #s are not even out yet.

 

[Woodrick]

About a dozen mileage reports in, and the average real world range is closer to 200 than 300 unfortunately.
Those #s will likely improve with software releases and drivers getting over the "wow look how fast it accelerates" but as of now that is the data we have, as the official EPA #s are not even out yet.

Are you actually trying to explain this to a 2 Tesla owner with over 6 years driving one? And total of 9 years in EVs.

You may understand it one day.

 

[Tanquen]

But the cost/range/charge I think is pretty far from what a lot of us were expecting.

The initial guestaments were that and we're not a ironclad promise but still they took money and said the truck would be coming soon with only the specs they gave to go by. Now 4 years later we have lower specs for more money and we're not even sure if it's an official EPA number or more importantly, what the realistic real world range will be. While some say that if the EPA rating is not good enough for you, you're just uneducated. Even though there have been changes made in the way the EPA rating for EVs is decided with more changes on the way. Companies seem to have some flexibility in the way they report their numbers and third party tests have shown that many manufacturers EPA rating come up 10 to 15% short when trying to replicate the EPA tests, while a small number of companies under promise theirs, some by a good amount.

For better or worse, we're all used to companies doing that and or having to check the fine print whenever you buy something regardless of what a commercial says or even if a CEO says more than once, that their truck can beat a Porsche in the quarter mile while towing another Porsche.

It would be nice to have more detailed information about what exactly comes with the truck, what exactly you're getting for the extra 20 grand and what if any caveats there may be. Having to bump into info in online forums, finding out that you do not get a charging hardware installation credit in that same 20 grand if you're getting the two motor version. Then finding out that if they don't feel it can be installed at your current property, you don't even (possibly?) get the hardware, but instead get 6 months of free supercharging that you may not even use. I'm sure the last thing they want to do is credit any money back but how about a few years of free charging or a hefty charging credit or maybe half off a color wrap?

Would also be nice if they said that improvements in the charging curve are coming if they haven't already. I do hope it gets better soon but it seems odd that they've been making EVs for quite some time, been working on the truck for at least the last 4 years, had test mules for a while, are selling the truck now but still need to figure how fast it can charge. Anyone know what kind of things there testing for, just the battery pack getting too hot?

Has anyone made a detail list on what they receive during delivery?

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