Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Celiboy]

A larger pack does not necessarily have longer charge times.

Look at the charge curve; most of the time, you're not utilizing the full output.

Ok thanks. So is the charge curve something that can be manipulated once there’s more data or is it fixed?

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[Gigahorse]

Ok thanks. So is the charge curve something that can be manipulated once there’s more data or is it fixed?

No one really knows for sure, but it would take a BIG increase to make the CT curve competitive.
With these trucks long beyond prototype or RC and them being delivered to the general public it does not bode well for software to fix the curve.
Which makes the following all the more depressing
"this makes cybertruck a tough sell" - Kyle Out of Spec Reviews

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Show me where on the above Tesla Window Sticker it shows city, highway, and combined range please? I see lots of rather useless MPGe data, which really means nothing to consumers practically.

Um

"when fully charged, vehicle can travel about..."

 

[Gigahorse]

Um

"when fully charged, vehicle can travel about..."

^this

Pretty much the last shoe to drop is the info from the EPA and fingers crossed it brings some hope for range increase via software update

 

[HitchHiker71]

No one really knows for sure, but it would take a BIG increase to make the CT curve competitive.
With these trucks long beyond prototype or RC and them being delivered to the general public it does not bode well for software to fix the curve.
Which makes the following all the more depressing
"this makes cybertruck a tough sell" - Kyle Out of Spec Reviews

In the recently released videos Kyle mentions that on V3 chargers, because the pack is split into two 400v packs, the amperage pulls can be upwards of 700amps (at least in theory - he mentions the V3 cable smoking due to too much heat - but I'd be surprised if any V3 charger would permit this so I think he was simply trying to make a point that because the voltage is lower the amperage as to be higher which creates more heat and therefore is less efficient/creates more loss). I know V3 chargers are limited to a maximum of 500v (469v net to be specific), so on a V3 charger while I'm sure we'll see slightly better charging performance with future updates as more telemetry is available - IMHO I really don't think we're going to see significantly better V3 charging performance until V4 800v chargers that require much less amperage (i.e. less heat/loss) comparatively, and therefore we'll of course see better charging performance on the 800v chargers, and likely better CC tuning as more telemetry comes in when using 800v chargers in comparison.

Um

"when fully charged, vehicle can travel about..."

Good point - it does show the one combined range underneath, but that's kinda the problem IMHO. That one range is often not accepted as "real world" - which is an EPA problem admittedly - but why not show - under the same 126 combined/131 city/120 highway section - the estimated ranges for those three categories? We constantly see people - mostly early adopters on sites like this one - argue about that 310 number - real world vs estimated. Yeah we all know that the EPA estimates are just that, but wouldn't it help if the Window Sticker showed 310/322/295 for example (just using rough numbers).

 

[scottyah]

one little quibble:

500 ‘Tesla miles’ in 2019 was never going to be 500 miles

you’re to that extent comparing a dream against a reality

it’s not entirely devoid of meaning, just a tiny quibble that you have not swung down all the way from a *perfect* vehicle

end of day, you’re right and can move on: Tesla is not selling a 500mi BEV truck

Very good point, I did not know that until this thread as well but I'm glad to learn it.

 

[Woodrick]

My point is that just about every traditional/normative automotive consumer - knows exactly how to calculate their city/highway driving range.

ROTFLMAO

Sure they can.

 

[Woodrick]

Very good point, I did not know that until this thread as well but I'm glad to learn it.

Give some time, I expect that someone will demonstrate the truck going 500 miles on the existing battery without range extender.

The original Model 3 with 310 miles range has been shown to go over 600 miles.

 

[Woodrick]

Ok thanks. So is the charge curve something that can be manipulated once there’s more data or is it fixed?

It can be optimized.

Teh question is just how much has Tesla already optimized it, because they have already learned and implemented a lot with their other vehicles.

None of the original Teslas had battery conditioning routines. Tesla realized the gains that can be had by adding them. But that already exists in the Cybertruck.

So, it depends..

 

[scottf200]

Rivian comparison.

Road trip from 10%-70% is common. NACS will help non-Tesla EVs this year.
https://outofspecstudios.com/charging

The other chart on that page [link] shows a story of Rivian and CT being similar experiences.

Below interpretation:

So this chart is saying that on a road trip doing 70 mph given your vehicle efficiency (Wh/mile) and charging speed (kW) this is the comparison.​

Below interpretation:

"If my next stop is 150 miles away, then I have 34 mins wait (lunch/phone/walk) in my F150 and 27 mins for CT/Rivian."​

Aside:
ATs -- The data is in that chart (click label)

1) 2024 Tesla Cybertruck - Goodyear Wrangler Territory RT All Terrain tires​

2) 2022 Rivian R1T - Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain Plus tires​

3) 2022 Ford F150 Lightning Platinum - General Grabber HTS tires​

 

[Gigahorse]

Give some time, I expect that someone will demonstrate the truck going 500 miles on the existing battery without range extender.

The original Model 3 with 310 miles range has been shown to go over 600 miles.

The only way a CT will get 500 miles without the range extender or charging is if they start on top of a mountain and do a max of 40MPH. With the wh/mile needed, drag coefficient, and relatively small battery pack they are not going to get this 200 mile range truck 2.5x that range without cheezing the test, towing it part of the way, etc.

Even if they can cheeze the test and get say 400 miles out of it, it will be such a wildly unpractical way of moving the vehicle, the only thing that really matters is what kind of range actual customers get, which right now looks like 180 miles and an hour to charge at a V3 charger

 

[Woodrick]

The only way a CT will get 500 miles without the range extender or charging is if they start on top of a mountain and do a max of 40MPH. With the wh/mile needed, drag coefficient, and relatively small battery pack they are not going to get this 200 mile range truck 2.5x that range without cheezing the test, towing it part of the way, etc.

Even if they can cheeze the test and get say 400 miles out of it, it will be such a wildly unpractical way of moving the vehicle, the only thing that really matters is what kind of range actual customers get, which right now looks like 180 miles and an hour to charge at a V3 charger

Sorry, no you are wrong.

I never said practical.

 

[Gigahorse]

Sorry, no you are wrong.

I never said practical.

Maybe a little misleading to say someone will get over 500 miles of range with the current CT configuration when at the same time knowing the only way to do that is to use extreme, non-practical, and questionable means to achieve it.

 

[Woodrick]

The other chart on that page [link] shows a story of Rivian and CT being similar experiences.

Below interpretation:

So this chart is saying that on a road trip doing 70 mph given your vehicle efficiency (Wh/mile) and charging speed (kW) this is the comparison.​

Below interpretation:

"If my next stop is 150 miles away, then I have 34 mins wait (lunch/phone/walk) in my F150 and 27 mins for CT/Rivian."​

Aside:
ATs -- The data is in that chart (click label)

1) 2024 Tesla Cybertruck - Goodyear Wrangler Territory RT All Terrain tires​

2) 2022 Rivian R1T - Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain Plus tires​

3) 2022 Ford F150 Lightning Platinum - General Grabber HTS tires​

One little caveat to your interpretation. "If you start charging at 0%".
If you come in at 15% (~50 mile) you then need to look at the 150-200 mile area that can add more time.

 

[Woodrick]

Maybe a little misleading to say someone will get over 500 miles of range with the current CT configuration when at the same time knowing the only way to do that is to use extreme, non-practical, and questionable means to achieve it.

Did I say that someone will get over 500 miles? Pretty sure that wasn't the case. I believe that I said that "you can"

You have to stop reading all of your ICE assumptions into EV statements.

Tesla Model 3 travels 606 miles on a single charge in new hypermiling record | Electrek
And no, travelling at 70 mph on the highway isn't going to allow you to match the EPA numbers for the Model 3 either.

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