No reason to believe the Cybertruck shouldn’t perform as well.

[LDRHAWKE]

News: @Tesla's Model 3 (upgrade) wins Winter range test conducted by Finnish newspaper ... in -20°C (-4°F) weather!

The test involved 10 electric vehicles, such as the upgraded Tesla Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor, Volkswagen ID.7 Pro Elegance, BWM i5 eDrive 40 M Sport, BYD Dolphin Comfort, Hyundai Kona Electric 65 kWh Premium, and the MG4 Luxury, among others.

While recent news reports may suggest that Teslas are useless in the cold, the results of a winter range test in Europe reveal that the opposite is true.

As per a test conducted by the Finnish newspaper Tekniikan Maailma (TM), Tesla’s electric vehicles are among the best-performing electric cars in frigid weather.

The upgraded Tesla Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor AWD continued to be drivable despite its battery showing 0%. The vehicle drove over 300 km despite the frigid weather. And while its overall range during the test represented a notable decrease from its estimated WLTP range of 629 km, it was a standout among its peers nonetheless.

Ultimately, the upgraded Tesla Model 3 topped the Finnish newspaper’s winter driving test for its overall performance.

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[rudedawg78]

The upgraded Tesla Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor AWD continued to be drivable despite its battery showing 0%.

On average, how many more miles will Tesla's drive after reaching 0%?

 

[Woodrick]

On average, how many more miles will Tesla's drive after reaching 0%?

It is dependent on the calibration of the battery. I've seen one guy bitch that he ran out at about +6. That was nowhere like the dozen other times that he ran out below 0. Honestly, this guy was a case!

But it is supposedly around -15. But your mileage may vary, literally.

I believe that the car still goes into turtle mode before going all the way out, but haven't heard anyone mention it lately.

 

[rudedawg78]

It is dependent on the calibration of the battery. I've seen one guy bitch that he ran out at about +6. That was nowhere like the dozen other times that he ran out below 0. Honestly, this guy was a case!

But it is supposedly around -15. But your mileage may vary, literally.

I believe that the car still goes into turtle mode before going all the way out, but haven't heard anyone mention it lately.

Good to know, thx.

 

[Broski]

My real world experience in a 2018 model three with 91,000 miles just cold weather has a pretty big impact. Full charges now 275 miles.
Last week I went to the ski hill 55 miles away with the charge of 215 miles thinking I had plenty of range since it’s 110 miles round trip.
I barely made it home with 15 miles to spare and an hour and a half of range anxiety on the return.
Definitely a worse case scenario as it was 25° snow on the roads the whole way I run dedicated Nokian snow tires. That said I was not really going that fast and was still quite surprised to see a 50% range under these conditions next time I’ll just need to top it off before heading out in those conditions.

 

[Woodrick]

My real world experience in a 2018 model three with 91,000 miles just cold weather has a pretty big impact. Full charges now 275 miles.
Last week I went to the ski hill 55 miles away with the charge of 215 miles thinking I had plenty of range since it’s 110 miles round trip.
I barely made it home with 15 miles to spare and an hour and a half of range anxiety on the return.
Definitely a worse case scenario as it was 25° snow on the roads the whole way I run dedicated Nokian snow tires. That said I was not really going that fast and was still quite surprised to see a 50% range under these conditions next time I’ll just need to top it off before heading out in those conditions.

From my understanding and listening to the Canadians, a cold-soaked battery can be significant. But a preconditioned battery will tend to have minimal impact to range.

I remember taking a camera with me on the lift at Breckinrdige. Once I got to the top, I tried to take some pictures, the camera wouldn't turn on. So skied down to the lodge and checked the camera, it powered up and worked fine. That's when I realized that happened, cold soaked. I put the camera under my ski jacket and tried again, it worked perfectly at the top this time.

Cold batteries are not happy batteries, just like me.

 

[CyberGus]

I turn up the heat when it drops below 72 ?‍

 

[HaulingAss]

While recent news reports may suggest that Teslas are useless in the cold, the results of a winter range test in Europe reveal that the opposite is true.

I've been saying this for years. I read all the media reports of losing half or more of the range in the cold but my real-world experience has been that could only happen for many short trips, on a long trip, when it really matters, the winter range loss is only around 20% at 20 degrees F. It can go up or down from there depending upon how heavily the heat is used, I just keep it comfy and dry inside without cranking the heat. The seat heaters have me toasty, even when the cabin is only heated to 67 degrees or so.

Most negative things published about Tesla are either exaggerations or outright lies. Even when you think you are reading the experiences of an actual Tesla owner in the comments section after an article, ownership of a Tesla is often fabricated to make it sound more credible.

 

[Broski]

I've been saying this for years. I read all the media reports of losing half or more of the range in the cold but my real-world experience has been that could only happen for many short trips, on a long trip, when it really matters, the winter range loss is only around 20% at 20 degrees F. It can go up or down from there depending upon how heavily the heat is used, I just keep it comfy and dry inside without cranking the heat. The seat heaters have me toasty, even when the cabin is only heated to 67 degrees or so.

Most negative things published about Tesla are either exaggerations or outright lies. Even when you think you are reading the experiences of an actual Tesla owner in the comments section after an article, ownership of a Tesla is often fabricated to make it sound more credible.

I just gave an example of 50% range that I experienced last week. I disclosed it is heavy load scenario due to winter tires, weather, etc. Also, a lot of headlines and reality of Teslas running out of juice in Chicago due to cold. So you’re telling me I’m lying and this is all fabricated?

I find the people saying there is no downside to electric either do not own or depend on it, or are the ones lying with the agenda

 

[Woodrick]

I just gave an example of 50% range that I experienced last week. I disclosed it is heavy load scenario due to winter tires, weather, etc. Also, a lot of headlines and reality of Teslas running out of juice in Chicago due to cold. So you’re telling me I’m lying and this is all fabricated?

I find the people saying there is no downside to electric either do not own or depend on it, or are the ones lying with the agenda

It's not fabricated, but it is not the whole truth.

If I remember correctly, you had cold soaked batteries. Indeed it should not be considered an edge case, it's a natural case.

And it seems as if the Chicago fiasco seemed to have a lot to do with Uber/Lyft drivers coming in with cold soaked batteries to charge. They didn't allow the battery to precondition.

So yes, these do happen, but no, they don't always happen.

You are both right, you are both wrong. Driving EVs will take us all some time to learn a new optimal way to drive. The habits of ICE vehicles are so ingrained that we think that they are normal, but they are normal only because we learned that way.


And by the way, when you mentioned that your car had something like 200 miles remaining and only a 100 mile trip, where did you see the range. Was it on the front screen that lies to you or the Energy screen that it much more realistic?

My biggest reference is listening to the Canadians. The are weather hardened and they have learned to operate the cars in the cold. I've learned a lot from them, especially keeping on charger overnight and using scheduled departure to warm the batteries up.

 

[Stupid_metal_triangle]

On average, how many more miles will Tesla's drive after reaching 0%?

On average? 0

The vehicle could stop at 5 miles left, or even 10 miles left, or it could go on for a few added miles. This is because the estimated remaining range is a guess, hence the "guess-o-meter" nickname.

Years back someone was excited to see their Tesla kept reporting more range on a full charge. The guy had a weird schedule where he'd charge to 100% every day and the algorithm kept reporting like an extra mile each time. I told him that he isn't getting more battery capacity, it's just estimating on the high side. I bet that if he drive the vehicle until the battery ran out it would stop before 0 miles left.

The other side of this is when suddenly the battery shows less and less capacity. This can happen with lots of small charges and the algorithm can underestimate the top of the battery. In that case then there would be some extra range below the estimated 0.

Typically it all averages out. Smaller charges normally, then a road trip with some deeper chargers will give better data on the condition of the battery.

 

[agordon117]

It's not fabricated, but it is not the whole truth.

If I remember correctly, you had cold soaked batteries. Indeed it should not be considered an edge case, it's a natural case.

And it seems as if the Chicago fiasco seemed to have a lot to do with Uber/Lyft drivers coming in with cold soaked batteries to charge. They didn't allow the battery to precondition.

So yes, these do happen, but no, they don't always happen.

You are both right, you are both wrong. Driving EVs will take us all some time to learn a new optimal way to drive. The habits of ICE vehicles are so ingrained that we think that they are normal, but they are normal only because we learned that way.


And by the way, when you mentioned that your car had something like 200 miles remaining and only a 100 mile trip, where did you see the range. Was it on the front screen that lies to you or the Energy screen that it much more realistic?

My biggest reference is listening to the Canadians. The are weather hardened and they have learned to operate the cars in the cold. I've learned a lot from them, especially keeping on charger overnight and using scheduled departure to warm the batteries up.

The problem is, it doesn't matter if it's an edge case. If it's recommended to charge to only 90% (which has recently changed to 80%, my app keeps warning me), and then you only get some fraction of that... I calculated 141 miles of actual range in winter on the highway in my model Y. And like, sure, it's not ideal conditions. But an average person doesn't know or care. All they know is the EPA says it gets "300 miles", and then it gets less than half of that.
Couple that with the fact that tesla (and to be fair, most manufacturers) don't really tell you the information that the car itself knows, it's hard to ignore the impact by saying it's an edge case. I can get in my model Y when it says 280 miles of range, and get 140. That's nuts. If they updated the dashboard range to be real miles, people would freak out thinking something is wrong. If you navigate somewhere, the car knows how much charge it will take to get there under the given conditions, but it won't tell you. It only displays it as a percentage, even if your range display is set to miles. Because they don't want people doing that math to see that it is costing them 250 miles of dashboard range to go 125 miles.

ICE vehicles just don't experience the same kind of losses, and even if they did, you don't care, because gas tanks are bigger than 3-4 gallons (which is the equivalent of a li-ion pack in an EV)

 

[Woodrick]

On average? 0

The vehicle could stop at 5 miles left, or even 10 miles left, or it could go on for a few added miles. This is because the estimated remaining range is a guess, hence the "guess-o-meter" nickname.

Years back someone was excited to see their Tesla kept reporting more range on a full charge. The guy had a weird schedule where he'd charge to 100% every day and the algorithm kept reporting like an extra mile each time. I told him that he isn't getting more battery capacity, it's just estimating on the high side. I bet that if he drive the vehicle until the battery ran out it would stop before 0 miles left.

The other side of this is when suddenly the battery shows less and less capacity. This can happen with lots of small charges and the algorithm can underestimate the top of the battery. In that case then there would be some extra range below the estimated 0.

Typically it all averages out. Smaller charges normally, then a road trip with some deeper chargers will give better data on the condition of the battery.

If someone is charging to 100% every day and the algorithm kept increasing the range, that's generally because the batteries are balancing, and the range is indeed increasing.

I'm assuming that you are taking a few liberties with "increasing every day" for a few days and not suggesting that his range was 700 miles after a year.

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