CCS Combo 1 Adapter Doesn’t Fit Cybertruck

[Shadowmite]

Ironically the last study I saw projects that it’s possible to RESTORE batteries that have degradation by holding them at low levels for extended periods. The catch is not going below a certain voltage which varies by chemistry and BPMS reading.

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[henchman24]

Unless there is a manufacturing issue, you won’t notice much difference in degradation from staying in the 20-80 range and driving it to 2% and charging up to what you need at a given point (ie just don’t go above 80 all the time). Yeah there is lab proven data to show it stresses batteries more and doesn’t contribute to degradation. In the real world, there isn’t a huge difference. Simply not charging to 90 or 100% all the time and letting it sit there is the best thing that can be done reasonably. From there just drive it and don’t worry.

 

[Outdoors]

We bought the Cybertruck specifically for road trips (and hauling big stuff), so alternative charging options are important.

Sure they are, but why not just choose a hotel that has a charger. I see 9 hotels in the Pensacola area that have chargers. Yet you choose the one without one. Seems like a lack of forethought to me.

An alternative that is less and less reliable or used. Hazard a guess as time goes by, well I don't need to repeat what others have said. Yet it will be a hazard when those chargers that haven't been updated to NACS you show up to when hauling "big stuff", and they don't work.

Sticking to the 80-20 rule on roadtrips seems well kind of not what the 80-20 rule is about. Rule followers of wrong applications for road trips don't sound like fun to me.

Seems like a way over think. Let plugshare be your friend. Also maybe look there has been a multitude of threads on the subject. Why is this a new topic

 

[Chris Pierce]

Sure they are, but why not just choose a hotel that has a charger. I see 9 hotels in the Pensacola area that have chargers. Yet you choose the one without one. Seems like a lack of forethought to me.

An alternative that is less and less reliable or used. Hazard a guess as time goes by, well I don't need to repeat what others have said. Yet it will be a hazard when those chargers that haven't been updated to NACS you show up to when hauling "big stuff", and they don't work.

Sticking to the 80-20 rule on roadtrips seems well kind of not what the 80-20 rule is about. Rule followers of wrong applications for road trips don't sound like fun to me.

Seems like a way over think. Let plugshare be your friend. Also maybe look there has been a multitude of threads on the subject. Why is this a new topic

1. I went to Pensacola for a funeral; the hotel selected was not my choice.
2. I haul big stuff locally and charge at home.
3. I use PlugShare.
4. The rules I follow benefit everyone. The suggestions (like the 80-20 thing) I try to follow to extend the life of my vehicles.
5. Understanding another’s concerns may not be one of your strengths, nor kind words in stating your perspectives.

 

[Bobo_LaDouche]

Hi all. I work in the lithium business, and get the opportunity to sit down with CEO's and lead scientists involved with batteries pretty much all the time. Sparing all the technical details, what they constantly share is that the wear-and-tear on batteries is at the high and low ends of charging, and the more extreme the worse. That is where the fracturing occurs. How this gets translated to car owners is open to interpretation, and maybe the 80/20 rule is the simplest form. To each his own, but the damage occurs at the high and low ends of charge. TY.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Unfortunately, there are still a lot of places where Tesla Superchargers are nonexistent, and CCS1 DC chargers are available. Pensacola, for instance.

And they actually work? Or is it just a myth the EA, etc chargers have a very low reliability?

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

That's the official Tesla adapter, works for non-Cybertrucks
https://shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter

We found out early on that the Tesla CCS adapter didn’t fit the Cybertruck port. It is great that someone made one that works.

 

[HaulingAss]

4. The rules I follow benefit everyone. The suggestions (like the 80-20 thing) I try to follow to extend the life of my vehicles.

The 80/20 rule is for general everyday storage, not for road trips. Think about it, if it caused a problem, why would Tesla even let you charge it that high, or discharge it that low? The Cybertruck battery is warrantied for 8 years or 150,000 miles, and running it to 100% and down to zero doesn't even void the warranty (just don't park it without a charge or leave it on your home charger set to 100%).

5. Understanding another’s concerns may not be one of your strengths, nor kind words in stating your perspectives.

Don't play the victim, no one has been unkind to you, they are trying to help dispel some unfounded misconceptions you have that are creating a sub-optimal experience for you.

 

[Outdoors]

1. I went to Pensacola for a funeral; the hotel selected was not my choice.
2. I haul big stuff locally and charge at home.
3. I use PlugShare.
4. The rules I follow benefit everyone. The suggestions (like the 80-20 thing) I try to follow to extend the life of my vehicles.
5. Understanding another’s concerns may not be one of your strengths, nor kind words in stating your perspectives.

1. I didn't know out of town folks had to stay at certain hotels for funerals. Sounds more like a wedding to me.

2. So hauling the big stuff wasn't really the reason then.

Skip to 4. Spreading FUD. People shouldn't listen to your nonsense about 80-20. It is wrong, and now you have people thinking this stuff applies here. Please stop it. Someone could read your post and think they always have to charge from 80-20.

Hogwash. Probably tell me I am bad for my Tesla below. Oh the horror. Please do us all a favor. Stop the 80-20 for road trip FUD.

 

[henchman24]

Hi all. I work in the lithium business, and get the opportunity to sit down with CEO's and lead scientists involved with batteries pretty much all the time. Sparing all the technical details, what they constantly share is that the wear-and-tear on batteries is at the high and low ends of charging, and the more extreme the worse. That is where the fracturing occurs. How this gets translated to car owners is open to interpretation, and maybe the 80/20 rule is the simplest form. To each his own, but the damage occurs at the high and low ends of charge. TY.

100% there is real, lab verified data that shows where the degradation happens and the impacts... and that living in a certain range is best for battery health. It is just that in the real world there are so many factors that the impact just isn't that big. 150k miles on a 300 mile battery is only 500 cycles. Even if the cycles are abusive, there just isn't that many. Even if you factor vampire drain and usage in power share, you don't even come close to approaching 1000. Typically NMC batteries are thought to have a 2000+ cycle life, which means we are not even half (or even third through that).

You could probably treat the CT battery perfectly. Staying in that 40-60% window, never fast charge, never pull full current, etc... and after 6-7 years still end up with 8-10% degradation just due to calendar aging. With the data we have on other non-LFP Teslas, we can pretty safely say that treating the battery 'poorly' with drains to single digits, fast charges, and regular (though not daily charges) to 100% will end in degradation around 13-15% after 8 years (obviously some mileage here). Where as keeping it below 80% and only occasionally fast charging will lose about 10-12% (with less mileage here). A 2-3% difference where the extra cycle count has to be factored in as part of that.

TLDR calendar aging is really more of an issue than low SoC, fast charging, cold temps, hot temps (on a liquid cooled battery anyways), etc on EVs. High SoC can be bad, especially in conjunction with hot temps and charging... so don't go 90++ all the time and especially don't let it sit there for days on end. Beyond that though, there isn't enough cycles to hurt the batteries dramatically in a reasonable amount of mileage.

 

[Chris Pierce]

And they actually work? Or is it just a myth the EA, etc chargers have a very low reliability?

I have, in the past, used DC Fast Chargers from non-Tesla stations with no issues.

 

[Chris Pierce]

100% there is real, lab verified data that shows where the degradation happens and the impacts... and that living in a certain range is best for battery health. It is just that in the real world there are so many factors that the impact just isn't that big. 150k miles on a 300 mile battery is only 500 cycles. Even if the cycles are abusive, there just isn't that many. Even if you factor vampire drain and usage in power share, you don't even come close to approaching 1000. Typically NMC batteries are thought to have a 2000+ cycle life, which means we are not even half (or even third through that).

You could probably treat the CT battery perfectly. Staying in that 40-60% window, never fast charge, never pull full current, etc... and after 6-7 years still end up with 8-10% degradation just due to calendar aging. With the data we have on other non-LFP Teslas, we can pretty safely say that treating the battery 'poorly' with drains to single digits, fast charges, and regular (though not daily charges) to 100% will end in degradation around 13-15% after 8 years (obviously some mileage here). Where as keeping it below 80% and only occasionally fast charging will lose about 10-12% (with less mileage here). A 2-3% difference where the extra cycle count has to be factored in as part of that.

TLDR calendar aging is really more of an issue than low SoC, fast charging, cold temps, hot temps (on a liquid cooled battery anyways), etc on EVs. High SoC can be bad, especially in conjunction with hot temps and charging... so don't go 90++ all the time and especially don't let it sit there for days on end. Beyond that though, there isn't enough cycles to hurt the batteries dramatically in a reasonable amount of mileage.

Thank you for your reply.

 

[Chris Pierce]

Hi all. I work in the lithium business, and get the opportunity to sit down with CEO's and lead scientists involved with batteries pretty much all the time. Sparing all the technical details, what they constantly share is that the wear-and-tear on batteries is at the high and low ends of charging, and the more extreme the worse. That is where the fracturing occurs. How this gets translated to car owners is open to interpretation, and maybe the 80/20 rule is the simplest form. To each his own, but the damage occurs at the high and low ends of charge. TY.

Appreciate your reply.

 

[henchman24]

And they actually work? Or is it just a myth the EA, etc chargers have a very low reliability?

It absolutely isn't a myth, at least in comparison to Tesla. In my experience, EA is the best >150kW non-Tesla network right now. And somewhere between 15-20% of the time I have had some sort of issue. Whether that be slow charging, stations down, payment issues, etc. Only a couple times have stations not outright worked. The other networks (TBF I have not used Ionna yet) or individual operators are really hit or miss for higher power charging. To the point where I always check the most recent plugshare and still leave myself a buffer... or just use Tesla even if it is slower. I've never had a Tesla session not work. Worst I've had is a slow charge on an empty station because of tired/old equipment and that has been very rare (V2 load sharing excluded, which is rather frequent on those old chargers).

Now if people are okay with ~50-60 kW, Chargepoint CPE 250s are about as rock solid of a unit as you can get. Those things always seem to work. They are just rather slow (though perfect for a good sitdown meal/grocery store charge session).

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