Does it bother anyone else when people assume the Cybertruck is being “given away”?

[hemiarch]

Rear ended by the media maybe

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[LordTimelord]

Ummm...why do you believe that Cybertrucks get rear-ended more than any other car?

I doubt the data shows that, I think you are just gullible to false narratives. What is your source?

I've only seen three stories so far. Nothing else story wise.

However my personal experience as a First Responder for 16 1/2 Years and a Long Haul Trucker for the past 10 years is different.

I've seen plenty of accidents with vehicles with similar small taillights and flat non-reflective back ends that get hit by less than fully attentive drivers.

I believe it's the combination of a large flat rear end that is matte and not highly reflective.

Also the small tail light surface area that contributes to them getting hit more in low visibility conditions.

Look at all the other pickup trucks on the road. All of the tail lights have way more square inches of area that visibly blink.

Although the center light bar on the tailgate helps with this issue. If someone was hauling something with the tailgate down. Then you are reduced to two of very small squares of light. Making it much more likely to get rear-ended. Especially at night or in the rain.

The light bar in the middle was a good idea on the tailgate. But they should have made the light fixtures on the sides bigger IHMO.

 

[HaulingAss]

I've only seen three stories so far. Nothing else story wise.

However my personal experience as a First Responder for 16 1/2 Years and a Long Haul Trucker for the past 10 years is different.

I've seen plenty of accidents with vehicles with similar small taillights and flat non-reflective back ends that get hit by less than fully attentive drivers.

I believe it's the combination of a large flat rear end that is matte and not highly reflective.

Also the small tail light surface area that contributes to them getting hit more in low visibility conditions.

Look at all the other pickup trucks on the road. All of the tail lights have way more square inches of area that visibly blink.

Although the center light bar on the tailgate helps with this issue. If someone was hauling something with the tailgate down. Then you are reduced to two of very small squares of light. Making it much more likely to get rear-ended. Especially at night or in the rain.

The light bar in the middle was a good idea on the tailgate. But they should have made the light fixtures on the sides bigger IHMO.

Wait...you assumed the Cybertruck was getting rear-ended more than other vehicles because you saw three reports of a Cybertruck being rear-ended?

Do you see the problem here?

 

[Stuck4ger]

Just look at the CT’s headlights and you’ll discover there’s more to illumination than the area of the lights. Have you figured out the lux of the CT’s high intensity LED tail light vs conventional bulb tail lights?

 

[hemiarch]

There are already products designed for improved rear visibility available if you guys want but in my opinion, this is total horse puckey.

 

[ÆCIII]

Ever since I took delivery, I've heard a lot of

“Wow, you must’ve gotten a deal”

or

“Bet they’re trying to give those away”

Lol actually my personal experience was one available in my area that matched what I wanted. I didn’t get any discount, but good incentives were available at the time, but really nothing crazy and certainly nothing that really swayed my decision.

I've been messing with people and saying "yeah I got a free generator for my home included with it". A guy at my work today was like "no way really?!" ?

Odd how many people think the CT is some kind of sales failure because of media outlets that clearly hate Elon. Meanwhile, nobody mentions the Ram 2500 sitting for over 200 days on lots, or the Titan getting discontinued, or the Hummer EV that’s unsellable. Even the F-150 has way more inventory sitting than it should.

CT isn’t perfect, but it’s VERY different, and people are still buying it, with no "discounts". I'm actually pretty impressed by that.

Just curious if anyone else has had a similar experience or thought process lol

When someone says that they're usually just expressing their own brainwashed denial.

I don't my time sharing or discussing with those who stubbornly want to be narrative sheep.

- ÆCIII

 

[LordTimelord]

Wait...you assumed the Cybertruck was getting rear-ended more than other vehicles because you saw three reports of a Cybertruck being rear-ended?

Do you see the problem here?

Sorry. I forget to add in there I've personally seen several CT's(six or seven) that have been rear ended on highways at night.

Typical case of driver's rear ending another vehicle while simultaneously following too close and possibility also being distracted.

Driving Long Haul 3,000+ Miles every week. I see dozens of accidents every week.

Each of the CT's I've passed by that were rear ended. It did fair a lot better than the vehicle behind it (damage wise)!

I still think the biggest issue is just distracted tailgaters. But adding anything to increase visibility to the rear end (like previously mentioned passive reflective stickers) can't hurt. That's for sure!

 

[Stuck4ger]

I’ve only driven 40,000 miles in the last year but so far have seen ZERO CT rear enders. No front enders or side enders or any CT accidents for that matter.

 

[hemiarch]

Sorry. I forget to add in there I've personally seen several CT's(six or seven) that have been rear ended on highways at night.

Typical case of driver's rear ending another vehicle while simultaneously following too close and possibility also being distracted.

Driving Long Haul 3,000+ Miles every week. I see dozens of accidents every week.

Each of the CT's I've passed by that were rear ended. It did fair a lot better than the vehicle behind it (damage wise)!

I still think the biggest issue is just distracted tailgaters. But adding anything to increase visibility to the rear end (like previously mentioned passive reflective stickers) can't hurt. That's for sure!

Oh I see. You saw more than three? Must be legit then. Where is our data entry team? You guys on here? We should be sure to enter this experience into our collection of pointless biased bullshit anecdotes from people who are experts at fast food ordering and coin op showering.

I agree it can’t hurt to make the rear end more visible. Good point.
also true of every other car on the market.

 

[LordTimelord]

Overall there can't be that many CT accidents if my insurance premiums are any indication of it.

My old model y long range was $258 a month (through State Farm) with $250 deductibles on collision and comprehensive, full glass, and 150k on uninsured and underinsured coverage.

Exact same coverages on my cyber truck is 138 a month. FYI this is with a completely clean commercial driver's license record. My State farm agent said that the Cyber truck was cheaper to repair than the model y.

I can't see how that's possible but that's what their numbers were indicating in their computer system.

So by insurance payments went down and my monthly payments for the vehicle went way up. LOL

 

[hemiarch]

Overall there can't be that many CT accidents if my insurance premiums are any indication of it.

My old model y long range was $258 a month (through State Farm) with $250 deductibles on collision and comprehensive, full glass, and 150k on uninsured and underinsured coverage.

Exact same coverages on my cyber truck is 138 a month. FYI this is with a completely clean commercial driver's license record. My State farm agent said that the Cyber truck was cheaper to repair than the model y.

I can't see how that's possible but that's what their numbers were indicating in their computer system.

So by insurance payments went down and my monthly payments for the vehicle went way up. LOL

Now that is actually useful. Based on numbers collected in the real world in a scientific way and processed by real actuaries.
Facts tend to remain facts when money is on the line

 

[LordTimelord]

Oh I see. You saw more than three? Must be legit then. Where is our data entry team? You guys on here? We should be sure to enter into our collection of pointless biased bullshit anecdotes from people who are experts at fast food ordering and coin op showering.

Unless you're a commercial motor vehicle operator with more than 1.2 million accident free miles like I have.

I think being open to information from other people for input would be useful to know.

Although there are some bad commercial drivers out there. The bulk of us are far superior than any of the normal drivers out there that:
- cut us off hundreds of times every week!
- merge without signaling or doing a head check into traffic far below the speed limit.
-go through stop signs from side streets just so they can get ahead of us to a traffic light 10 seconds faster.
- pass us and then slow down 10 mph while cutting across several Lanes so they can make it to an exit.

I could go on and on but if I saved every single piece of video footage from my four camera DVR system on my truck I would probably have so much footage that I'd have to get a file server to store it!

Just last night I had a gentleman with a Chevy Silverado towing a 35 ft 3 axle camper tailgating me less than 30 ft behind the rear end of my trailer.

This was from Valdosta Georgia on i-75 South all the way down to the Florida line. That is roughly 35 miles!

I tried slowing down from 65 to 55 several times to entice him to pass me since the road is three lanes there. And the person just sat there behind me all that time.

When another vehicle gets behind a big rig within about 75 ft. It starts to cause buffeting to the trailer and it actually will cause the entire combination vehicle to start wiggling left and right.

It varies depending on the different aerodynamics of the vehicle that's behind us and how close they are, and how much weight the commercial vehicle is carrying. The lighter the combination vehicle the more to buffeting is noticeable.

However it is definitely noticeable and VERY annoying to the CDL driver. EV drivers try to do this A TON by the way!

He got pulled over by the Florida state police after passing the border within a couple of minutes of passing the FL Trooper.

The Georgia state troopers (which camp that stretch of road like crazy heavy), couldn't care less and didn't pull them over.

The simple matter is this. I'm trying to point out something that can be made safer by adding anything to the rear end of a vehicle to make it more visible to reduce the possibility of being rear-ended by another vehicle.

Arguing against something that will make something safer, is poor form.

 

[hemiarch]

I’m not arguing against making it safer. I think everyone should make the back of vehicles as visible as humanly possible.
I just think the CT is being unfairly targeted as it frequently is and I think your anecdotal data contributes to that. It does not control for literally anything and is a very small data group and can therefore be highly misleading.
Thank you for doing what you do and for your advice and thank you for trying to make everyone here safer but consider that anecdotes may feed into an already completely irrational blame game that the Cybertruck and by extension you as an owner suffer from.
Again, not picking a fight. You obviously mean well but, respectfully, your singular experience no matter how extensive doesn’t mean much.

 

[LordTimelord]

The most important point of this discussion is physics always wins. Plan accordingly!

 

[pi_4x4]

There are already products designed for improved rear visibility available if you guys want but in my opinion, this is total horse puckey.

I’m currently trying out one of those tailgate light bars that you can put on the back of any pickup with trailer hitch light sockets. So far I don’t notice any decrease in acceleration or limiting speed (went up to 87mph). However I did notice that the 3D world doesn’t show parking lines anymore when I pull into a parking lot.
has anyone else tried it out? Any other disadvantages that I missed?
TIA

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