Grok almost got me in a heap of trouble! Elon please fix this.

[DarickHemphill]

I know there is a ton of things going on at Tesla and SpaceX, but this happened to me last week and I barely dodged a bullet. Here is what happened.

My wife's business is super busy and she asked me to drop off some product in Little Rock Arkansas.. this worked out well, because I had a meeting at St. Jude in Memphis the next day. I was staying in a hotel in West Memphis and I had the truck compute my arrival energy level. It came back that I would arrive with 6% battery. I love this truck and trust its power consumption computer. 6 percent would be fine, but I needed more power to get across the bridge and make a few trips to the airport to pick up other St. Jude parents. I LOVE talking to Grok. On long trips I will ask it to explain concepts I don't understand like quantum teleportation or exciting new uses of AI on my business.... It seemed natural to ask it about the the supercharging resources in West Memphis. Grok not only confirmed that there was a WONDERFUL charging station in the parking lot of the the cracker barrel but that there were 8 stalls and all of them were in perfect working condition with no waiting when I arrived. It was so freaking confident! The cracker barrel was very close to my hotel. I proceeded on my journey with zero worries. On the way there I noticed that the truck was telling me I needed to stop in a small Arkansas town called Brinkley. I had stopped there before and there is not a lot to do there. I wanted to avoid the stop and just charge in West Memphis. On my way to West Memphis doubt started creeping in. I decided to call the cracker barrel and ask about the charging station. The person who answered assured me there was no supercharger at that location. I was literally a mile from the Brinkley exit when I figured it out. Had I not been suspicious I would likely have been stranded in West Memphis. It turns out there was possibly an off brand charger, but it didn't show up in the trucks database. I was lucky. But this is a cautionary tale. Do not trust grok! It is a wonderful tool. And it will only get better with time. But for some reason it chose to pacify me with an answer it thought I wanted to hear instead of the actual truth.

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[ABILISK]

But for some reason it chose to pacify me with an answer it thought I wanted to hear instead of the actual truth.

This part right here. I’ve noticed it too. I don’t think it’s intentionally lying, it just doesn’t seem to know what’s conversationally cute and what actually might matter out here in the real world. I agree it’ll get better with time. Grok is still a baby. Remember when FSD first came out and you had to approve its decision to change lanes? Good times.

 

[HaulingAss]

Had I not been suspicious I would likely have been stranded in West Memphis. It turns out there was possibly an off brand charger, but it didn't show up in the trucks database. I was lucky.

I've never seen a Supercharger that wasn't in the Nav System. So I always go by the Nav system, especially if I was below 10%.

If you specified "Supercharger" in your question to Grok, it sounds like it was taken in it's generic sense, kind of like when you say "Q-tip" it can mean any cotton swab.

 

[hemiarch]

I've never seen a Supercharger that wasn't in the Nav System. So I always go by the Nav system, especially if I was below 10%.

If you specified "Supercharger" in your question to Grok, it sounds like it was taken in it's generic sense, kind of like when you say "Q-tip" it can mean any cotton swab.

But it sounds like there wasn’t ANY kind of charger there. Not just a supercharger

 

[That Beast Mode]

Yeah you have to take whatever these AI tell you with a grain of salt. It gives out a lot of false information for the moment, and it does it as if it's an absolute truth. Even when you google something and the first result that pops up now (android) is the AI suggestion before the actual search results, I have found that to be wrong on many occasions.

 

[SCTesla]

Why would you go to any supercharger without putting it in your navigation?

It pre-heats your battery, ensures there are stalls, etc. You basically did a new version of asking a stranger and then trusted it.

 

[CyberT]

stop in a small Arkansas town called Brinkley. I had stopped there before and there is not a lot to do there. I wanted to avoid the stop

I've stopped there a couple of times. Probably one of the worst Supercharger locations I've been to. That strip mall is dead. I'd never be brave enough to try out the Chinese food place, but I was brave/desperate enough to go into that supermarket to use the restroom. I'll just leave that one alone... Never been a fan of Sonic.

 

[SlegMD]

Should have double verified with the Tesla network, thx for the warning OP.

 

[LJ Wilson]

I know there is a ton of things going on at Tesla and SpaceX, but this happened to me last week and I barely dodged a bullet. Here is what happened.

There is a supercharger station there that does have 8 stalls, the installation is complete as far as I know (I live 15 minutes from it) but awaiting Entergy to approve the install and turn on power. It has been install-complete for at least a week now, so it seems Entergy is slow to inspect and approve.

 

[hemiarch]

So…she wasn’t straight up lying? Just missing information ?

 

[LJ Wilson]

Just missing the fact that it isn't open yet. It does exist (and there are 16 stalls, not 8).

 

[hemiarch]

That’s not so bad.
I work with resident and fellows. “Trust but verify” is one of my core work mantras.
Seems applicable to young AI too.

 

[CyberGus]

That’s not so bad.
I work with resident and fellows. “Trust but verify” is one of my core work mantras.
Seems applicable to young AI too.

I think with current AI the mantra is "distrust and definitely verify"

 

[dalton108]

This part right here. I’ve noticed it too. I don’t think it’s intentionally lying, it just doesn’t seem to know what’s conversationally cute and what actually might matter out here in the real world. I agree it’ll get better with time. Grok is still a baby. Remember when FSD first came out and you had to approve its decision to change lanes? Good times.

Guys all LLM’s lie and hallucinate. You must understand what they are they are still just predicting words and do not know what they are saying.

You cannot put any stake, where it really matters, in anything that they say to you and must be 100% skeptical of every word that comes out of their circuits.

Again, this applies to every single one of them. It is a feature not a bug. This is why many scientists say that LLM’s will not ever achieve AGI.

I’ve had many discussions with Chatbots including Grok where they will admit that their primary function is not to give you the correct answer; do you know what it is? ENGAGEMENT.

They want to “appear to be useful” to you so that you will engage. That’s the directive and rather than tell you they don’t know or that the answer is “no” they will put together plausible responses in an effort to give you what you want so that you will continue to engage.

This is why rather than telling lawyers that there is no case that says what they want it to say, they will simply make one up and potentially get your disbarred!!

Caveat emptor!

*Since it looks like it may have had partial information and leapt to conclusions, it’s important to know that recent studies have shown that even if you give an LLM a complete transcript of a meeting and ask it to just tell you what happened it will hallucinate about 10% of the response. That 10% can be the difference between being stranded and getting the charge that you desperately need.

 

[DarickHemphill]

Just missing the fact that it isn't open yet. It does exist (and there are 16 stalls, not 8).

Thanks for the picture. have you had an occasion to use the non tesla charger at Flying J? (Assuming it is real.)

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