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On a 100 mile trip yesterday my CT would not let me control the speed either no matter how much I scrolled. Very annoying. Also very annoying, my CT avoided about ten white splotches, (assuringly bird poop) on the highway by swerving to avoid them. Swerving at 75 mph puts the swerve into the violent category. I wonder what my blood pressure was right after each of the swerves. I know that Tesla will get everything fixed but the claims that v. 14.1.7 is perfect is not quite accurate. We will get closer to perfect very soon I'm sure.
perfect, ha! mine has been swerving around shiny spots on the pavement but still drives right over big pot holes. And it thinks the 1 inch lip from my driveway into my garage is an obstacle, so it flashes the red “STOP” and audible alert every time I pull into my garage.
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Most of my driving is "off hour" freeway driving, so my problem is that even Mad Max FSD is too slow . . . and fails to maintain the Tesla-imposed maximum speed even when road conditions are safe to do so. I'm constantly re-pressing the accelerator to re-obtain that max . . . rendering FSD more of a PITA than a benefit. So, I normally just take over and drive the old fashion way.

All that said, I too want the scroll wheel speed adjustment back. I can accelerate to tell FSD how fast I want to go, but I can't do anything to slow it down (school zones, etc.) other than to disengage it fully.

It would be interesting to see stats on the frequency of disengagements post-update.
 

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I would love a "stay in this lane for the next mile" button. Run into this all the time when I know the flow of the traffic and the lane changes it wants to make are all slower/pointless.

I am the only person with a Tesla who doesnt want speed options back. I think the profiles are the right path. But I am painfully aware that is a minority position. I have never had sloth go more than 1-2 miles over the limit. I use in neighborhoods and other places to be extra safe.
I'm OK with the profile settings, it makes some sense to me as much like a taxi driver, I just ask it to go faster or slower (not 48 or 79 mph), in my experience every down scroll will slow the truck down and I can quickly get within a reasonable range.

My most exciting recent Hurry mode maneuver is below - I was impressed.....
 


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Until you get pulled over for 15 over. My sense is that Tesla’s willingness to drive 20 over under the car’s control, eliminating a speed-specific over-ride (which the driving-style substitution is not) is the company ASKING for a nanny-state regulatory solution, is therefore irresponsible.

While we are in pure Supervised FSD mode, we are either supervising or we’re not - cannot have it both ways, regardless of fanboi rationalization supporting every change, even the ones marked in the version notes as needing improvement in further updates.
If I get pulled over, then it's my fault. It's 'supervised,' I get that. You should just go back to your Lightning.
 

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Dear Tesla- If I tell the CT not to merge by canceling with turn signals, please do not have the truck attempt again 3 seconds later. Please reroute or wait for further prompts. Fighting FSD is not fun.
I yank it out of FSD when that happens and then send the voice not telling Tesla why. Since miles without an intervention is a metric they watch, I would assume that eventually with enough interventions Tesla will change the code.
 

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If I get pulled over, then it's my fault. It's 'supervised,' I get that. You should just go back to your Lightning.
This is my sixth Tesla. Your reply isn't helpful. The only two reasons I ever owned a Lightning were the fact that it beat Tesla to the EV truck market by two years, and its supposed biderectional charging, which I purchased and which never worked. I have two Teslas, have always had at least one since 2012, have Powerwall 3, solar, and Tesla Gateway 3. I am a huge Tesla supporter. But that doesn't mean we cannot suggest improvements or discuss acual issues.

It isn't a good look to remove an existing method for supervising the vehicle's FSD functionality, especially maximum speed. No amount of fanboi rationalization can change that. And no, turning off FSD isn't the answer. Fixing it is the answer.

At this point, the fact that FSD, in two company-defined driving modes will nearly always drive 15-20 over the limit if given enough space, looks like a big middle finger to regulators and IMO presents a risk to the TSLA business plan.
 
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According to the FSD tracker, they are MUCH lower than V13.
Mmm. Must be different drivers than me, and every other Tesla owner I personally know. Before FSD14, I disengaged rarely. Now it’s every single trip. But some trips I’ll disengage only once and manually drive the vehicle because I know the speed limits are wrong and it’s just too stressful to worry about speeding and safety and repeatedly disengage. I guess that’s fewer overall disengagements but it’s also a lot less FSD use for me. I do understand that there are different types of drivers on different types of roads in different parts of the country. I’m glad other people like it, but I most certainly do not like the loss of ability to control the speed. For me, I’ve lost my FSD usability. It’s a game changer for me, but not in a good way.
 

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This is my sixth Tesla. Your reply isn't helpful. The only two reasons I ever owned a Lightning were the fact that it beat Tesla to the EV truck market by two years, and its supposed biderectional charging, which I purchased and which never worked. I have two Teslas, have always had at least one since 2012, have Powerwall 3, solar, and Tesla Gateway 3. I am a huge Tesla supporter. But that doesn't mean we cannot suggest improvements or discuss acual issues.

It isn't a good look to remove an existing method for supervising the vehicle's FSD functionality, especially maximum speed. No amount of fanboi rationalization can change that. And no, turning off FSD isn't the answer. Fixing it is the answer.

At this point, the fact that FSD, in two company-defined driving modes will nearly always drive 15-20 over the limit if given enough space, looks like a big middle finger to regulators and IMO presents a risk to the TSLA business plan.
Again with your "fanboi" crap.

The whole idea of fsd supervised is to work towards unsupervised and illuminate driver input altogether. Hence the incremental updates and the option to provide feedback for disengagements. If I'm on the highway, for example, and everyone is going 10 or 15 over, then I'd argue going the speed limit is more dangerous with people slowing down or slamming on their brakes to go around me. Now if everybody had fsd it might be a different story. Or if there was hard federal limit of 80 max, then I could see it too. Limiting all vehicles to that speed would be even better. Instead vehicles go well past 100 and people have the option to choose going that fast.

Adding back user input is going in reverse. If you want it go slow, put it sloth mode. If it's still speeding, kick it out of fsd, send feedback. That's how it's going to improve. I'd argue GIS data needs to be much improved as does sign reading is fsd.
 


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According to the FSD tracker, they are MUCH lower than V13.
I've gone from seldom disengaging FSD in v13.2.9 to disengaging many times per drive in v14.1.4 due to max speed issues. The rest of v14 is better. I've been on v14.1.4 for the last ~800 miles. In my area many of the speed limits shown in FSD are often wrong (sometimes as far off as showing 25 in a 65 mph zone or 55 in a 30mph zone) so FSD suddenly slows down massively due to the incorrect maps. Removing the max speed control is a bad idea and dangerous in this area. It's interesting that my Garmin GPS almost always has the correct speed limit listed. We need the max speed control.
 

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perfect, ha! mine has been swerving around shiny spots on the pavement but still drives right over big pot holes. And it thinks the 1 inch lip from my driveway into my garage is an obstacle, so it flashes the red “STOP” and audible alert every time I pull into my garage.
Exactly the issues that driving me crazy this week. Those violent swerves to avoid where the highway was patched will be a No Go when the snow and ice come to Iowa. That would put any vehicle into a spin. And when it's not snowy, I can count on getting pulled over by every cop that see's such a swerve. And then we have all these inaccurate speed zone readings..... Yes, I see big improvements in some ways but these other things are a major issue.
 

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I live in rural Michigan. Many of the paved roads are 55 mph for speed limit but not marked with signs. The system defaults to 25 mph which requires me to use traffic aware cruise. I have had the same issue identified before with shudders at traffic lights and 4 way stops. Occasionally the truck swerves to avoid a patch on the road and a couple of times ran over a dead animal on the road. Lane keeping has been exceptional since updating.
 

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I like the new profiles. 5mph over for standard is perfect. That’s generally how I would drive
 

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This is my sixth Tesla. Your reply isn't helpful. The only two reasons I ever owned a Lightning were the fact that it beat Tesla to the EV truck market by two years, and its supposed biderectional charging, which I purchased and which never worked. I have two Teslas, have always had at least one since 2012, have Powerwall 3, solar, and Tesla Gateway 3. I am a huge Tesla supporter. But that doesn't mean we cannot suggest improvements or discuss acual issues.

It isn't a good look to remove an existing method for supervising the vehicle's FSD functionality, especially maximum speed. No amount of fanboi rationalization can change that. And no, turning off FSD isn't the answer. Fixing it is the answer.

At this point, the fact that FSD, in two company-defined driving modes will nearly always drive 15-20 over the limit if given enough space, looks like a big middle finger to regulators and IMO presents a risk to the TSLA business plan.
Hear, here!
Again with your "fanboi" crap.

The whole idea of fsd supervised is to work towards unsupervised and illuminate driver input altogether. Hence the incremental updates and the option to provide feedback for disengagements. If I'm on the highway, for example, and everyone is going 10 or 15 over, then I'd argue going the speed limit is more dangerous with people slowing down or slamming on their brakes to go around me. Now if everybody had fsd it might be a different story. Or if there was hard federal limit of 80 max, then I could see it too. Limiting all vehicles to that speed would be even better. Instead vehicles go well past 100 and people have the option to choose going that fast.

Adding back user input is going in reverse. If you want it go slow, put it sloth mode. If it's still speeding, kick it out of fsd, send feedback. That's how it's going to improve. I'd argue GIS data needs to be much improved as does sign reading is fsd.
I think it’s ignoring reality to say adding back the option for user input for maximum speed is going in reverse. You could always use user speed input to increase as well as decrease maximum speed. If traffic was going faster, you could just bump it up, but still set a maximum speed. It worked quite well. The FSD14 set up does not work as well, and it’s certainly not as safe especially on streets, for all the reasons stated by many posts.
I like the new profiles. 5mph over for standard is perfect. That’s generally how I would drive
we would all like the new profiles especially if standard really did just drive 5mph over, but that’s not how they work. on the interstate that’s generally true, but they adjust to what the vehicle perceives as the flow of traffic, sometimes creeping up much faster than 5mph over. Even that would be sort of ok, but the vehicle has a huge number of errors for what it thinks is the speed limit, often being much higher, but sometimes much lower, than the real posted speed limit. That makes FSD unusable, especially on suburban streets. If the speed limits were even mostly correct it would be a much smaller problem- but they are not. That’s why we need to have the driver to be able to set the maximum speed, as it has been all along since I’ve owned a Tesla. The issue is not the profiles, it’s the decision to remove the driver’s ability to override the maximum speed when the vehicle data does not match reality.
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