Video: FSD 14.2.1 driving in snow blizzard

[PungoteagueDave]

You missed my point of being able to "REDUCE" the speed by scrolling down the thumbwheel for "precise" desired control. In Alaska even in Sloth mode presents with inclement weather and prcise control.

Okay, in that situation FSD isn’t indicated.

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[Sousray]

Don't have to break out of FSD to change direction on a turn. MY CT I just keep hitting the turn signal at the stop and it follows my input to override the way it wants to turn. It does drive whom ever is behind me nuts.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

My FSD always said cameras occluded, FSD won't work. With light snow it can still work, with heavy snow the system doesn't allow you to activate FSD.

There's a reason upstate NY or Erie PA aren't test markets for Robotaxi, the whole fleet would just need to shut down 10-20 days a year. This is about how many times a year my Teslas tell me that FSD can't be used.

Imagine owning a car without a steering wheel and it just says, "sorry, you can't go to work today, cameras occluded." I have lived in the snow belt my whole life and feel confident driving slowly in any conditions, for example my town I grew up in just had a 1.5-2 feet snow warning for one day. FSD cannot handle that condition, the cameras are as good as driving with your eyes closed.

I had it shut down recently while in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, two miles from either shore - FSD gave the “cameras obscured” message, red screen saying take over immediately. It was a simple thunderstorm, intense, but drivable for a human. How will we ever see true unsupervised FSD f the cameras can’t see as well as the human? I had no issue driving, albeit much slower than speed limit, with traffic.

 

[mitochondria]

That’s early winter weather here in north Idaho Blizzard = Star Wars warp speed look

 

[pae1andonly]

My FSD always said cameras occluded, FSD won't work. With light snow it can still work, with heavy snow the system doesn't allow you to activate FSD.

There's a reason upstate NY or Erie PA aren't test markets for Robotaxi, the whole fleet would just need to shut down 10-20 days a year. This is about how many times a year my Teslas tell me that FSD can't be used.

Imagine owning a car without a steering wheel and it just says, "sorry, you can't go to work today, cameras occluded." I have lived in the snow belt my whole life and feel confident driving slowly in any conditions, for example my town I grew up in just had a 1.5-2 feet snow warning for one day. FSD cannot handle that condition, the cameras are as good as driving with your eyes closed.

A little bit of resistance wire seems like an appropriate and entirely do-able solution. We shouldn't have to shade-tree-mechanic this. Relocate an engineering team to Montana for the season.

ps Suburban 'Burg here w/ multiple trips to snowy places planned. Ofc, we're just snow amateurs compared to Buffalo!

 

[Drano]

Asking from Florida ;-). Has there been any updates from Tesla re the CT and snow depositing on / into the LED headlights during snowy /slush operations??

 

[SpykeDaddy]

I live in MN and have never used FSD in the rain or in snow. I've used FSD since it's first beta.

We had a low-visibility blizzard with little to no plowing on the roads right before Thanksgiving. I tried to turn it on in some quiet, known roads out in the county to see how it responded. The cameras were obstructed enough that it never let me turn on FSD. Makes sense.

This morning, with generally well-plowed roads, two days after the storm, I was able to use FSD. It was very cautious in my neighborhood where there was little to no asphalt showing due to snow cover. It was a bit slow as I came out to my first country highway which was well-plowed which was perfect. In Minnesota, it's not uncommon to see snow / ice at a stop sign on clear roads. The truck slowed down appropriately in every case. One time it did slip a bit, but regained control. (Blood pressure up!)

Overall, it was much better than all other attempts on previous versions. (The car / truck would barrel forward at normal speeds, so I never used it in inclement weather and snow.) I'd still be cautious, obviously, as I'm not sure how it's going to recognize black ice or the need to slow down at really bad, icy stop signs to avoid sliding into intersections.

It's definitely a big step in the right direction. I never, ever thought I'd ever use FSD in the winter. Just never thought it'd be safe enough even when "done". This is so crazy to me. Now I'm willing to experiment a bit, try it out more and give FSD some more winter driving data to parse into their data models.

 

[mark555055c]

FSD with v14 is interesting in inclement weather.

On one hand, obviously v14 is much better in terms of detecting poor weather and then driving accordingly. On the other hand, this seems to bring many more failures (red hands) than previous versions. I had a red hands takeover on every single turn on my commute today. This is fine and all, except it confuses the heck out of other drivers with the vehicle slows and the hazards coming on mid turn.

V13 would just power through the snow, albeit a bit unsafely, it essentially relied on the driver to disengage when needed. V14 is obviously geared toward a, 'if i can't navigate safely, then i won't navigate at all' type of approach, which is good, and what is needed for unsupervised.

Of course Tesla will polish this over time, and I look forward to that.

 

[mark555055c]

Asking from Florida ;-). Has there been any updates from Tesla re the CT and snow depositing on / into the LED headlights during snowy /slush operations??

This is not really an issue. Some people made a big fuss about it but I had zero issues last winter in New York. If people let snow accumulate there and then the conditions are so that it melts and refreezes, then that is their own fault.

 

[HaulingAss]

On one hand, obviously v14 is much better in terms of detecting poor weather and then driving accordingly. On the other hand, this seems to bring many more failures (red hands) than previous versions.

I haven't had any "red hands" yet but I haven't driven through any weather harsher than the usual rain/wind and light snow yet (on version 14). Just got version 14.2 and will be trying it out this week.

I will add that I will not let it confuse other drivers. If I notice it doing something I wouldn't do, and there are other cars it could affect, I take over immediately and continue driving, so no one is the wiser. This is very rare but I don't understand why anyone would let it do it so incorrectly that another driver might wonder what is going on. It only takes a fraction of a second to override whatever it's doing that you don't like. Why would other drivers notice anything amiss?

Most of the drives I do I don't even need to do that once!

 

[mark555055c]

I haven't had any "red hands" yet but I haven't driven through any weather harsher than the usual rain/wind and light snow yet (on version 14). Just got version 14.2 and will be trying it out this week.

I will add that I will not let it confuse other drivers. If I notice it doing something I wouldn't do, and there are other cars it could affect, I take over immediately and continue driving, so no one is the wiser. This is very rare but I don't understand why anyone would let it do it so incorrectly that another driver might wonder what is going on. It only takes a fraction of a second to override whatever it's doing that you don't like. Why would other drivers notice anything amiss?

Most of the drives I do I don't even need to do that once!

Here it is very slushy and overly salty, so cameras are probably a bit grimey, even after only 30 miles and starting with them cleaned.

I had red hands at least 5 times today, and when it occurs it flips on the hazards, so that's where I mean drivers might be getting confused. Otherwise it's performing very well in terms of actually navigating.

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