For Those Waiting for Non-FS Cybertrucks -- Here's the Flip Side to Consider

[mongo]

no I did not. I wish I did! When did you order?

December, so I was in the $4k group also. The current ordering page calls out no installation credits for AWD nor Beast.

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[itsamti]

I totally agree with your assessment. This is exactly why I pulled the trigger on the FS. AWD

Yep, agree. I pulled the trigger not having wait for additional 2 years. You will never know what happens to 7.5K credit.

 

[steezymcfresh]

The biggest perk of FS is for later reservers to get the car ASAP.

 

[CyberTW]

The biggest perk of FS is for later reservers to get the car ASAP.

[raises hand] yup!

 

[skinzy]

While all this is fun to speculate about I.e. ”best value” bottom line the value perspective is in the eye of the beholder (Econ 101). Tesla will also price to maximize marginal profit period. I would not be a shareholder If I did not believe this.

 

[cybercuh]

LOL @ folks trying to justify the mark up. We just paid to get the truck early... that's about it..

People were paying up to 50k over sticker for the new Escalade, 20k was fair in my opinion to have it 12 months early.

 

[ChristoN]

There's been a broad perception that the Foundation Series gives us a single substantial feature - Full Self-Driving - and a handful of minor things. The balance of the $20K upcharge being a "tax" for being able to get a Cybertruck early.

The flip side of that perception is that when non-FS trucks arrive, they'll simply be like the FS vehicles, lacking only FSD and badging. And with the $7.5K Federal Incentive on top of the $20K reduction in price, the value proposition of that non-FS truck is going to be vastly better.

It's gonna be a little more complicated.

When you peer more closely at all those "minor" things included with the FS, it starts to become clear that that non-FS-truck-that-qualifies-for-the-$7.5K-Federal-Incentive is going to be quite a bit different from the FS trucks. And not having FSD is the least of it, since FSD can always be purchased after-the-fact, or by subscription.

Optional upgrades I think we can reasonably expect on non-FS trucks:

• 20" Cyber Wheels w/35" AT Tires: $4,000
• White Decor: $1,000
• FSD: $7,000 - $8,000 (can be dismissed since it can be bought later)
• Premium Connectivity will Require Subscription ($100 $10/mo)
• Premium Audio: $1,000
• Heated/Cooled Ventilated Front Seats: $1,000

Some of these will probably be combined. But the bottom line is that none of them, save FSD, can be had without bumping the base price of an AWD non-FS model above the $80K threshold for the Federal Incentive. If you want that incentive you'll have to forego any upgrades.

For many, losing the bigger wheels and AT tires is a squinty-eyed moment. Because for a lot of "truck things," they're strongly encouraged.

The premium connectivity is easy to dismiss because, hey, what's a hundred bucks a month? But that alone, over ten years, would be worth $10,000 $1,000.

Subscribe to FSD over that same ten year ownership and it's over ten grand.

That wonderful audio system that everyone talks about? You'll lose some of that.

And after enjoying heated seats on my Model 3, that Heated/Cooled Ventilated Seat option no longer strikes me as an affectation. I'd really hate to not have that.

The bottom line is that the Foundation Series Cybertruck really is a better value than a lot of people have given it credit for. Doesn't mean it's any more approachable. A hundred grand is a whole lot more than most of us have ever spent on a vehicle. But compared to the option-upgrade pricing that's coming on the non-FS vehicles, the FS trucks come off looking pretty good.

Premium audio and ventilated seats are not going to be an option. Those will come standard. No other Tesla has ever had options for that and it complicates manufacturing by having additional options.

 

[cbrtrckrsrvd112219]

There's been a broad perception that the Foundation Series gives us a single substantial feature - Full Self-Driving - and a handful of minor things. The balance of the $20K upcharge being a "tax" for being able to get a Cybertruck early.

The flip side of that perception is that when non-FS trucks arrive, they'll simply be like the FS vehicles, lacking only FSD and badging. And with the $7.5K Federal Incentive on top of the $20K reduction in price, the value proposition of that non-FS truck is going to be vastly better.

It's gonna be a little more complicated.

When you peer more closely at all those "minor" things included with the FS, it starts to become clear that that non-FS-truck-that-qualifies-for-the-$7.5K-Federal-Incentive is going to be quite a bit different from the FS trucks. And not having FSD is the least of it, since FSD can always be purchased after-the-fact, or by subscription.

Optional upgrades I think we can reasonably expect on non-FS trucks:

• 20" Cyber Wheels w/35" AT Tires: $4,000
• White Decor: $1,000
• FSD: $7,000 - $8,000 (can be dismissed since it can be bought later)
• Premium Connectivity will Require Subscription ($100 $10/mo)
• Premium Audio: $1,000
• Heated/Cooled Ventilated Front Seats: $1,000

Some of these will probably be combined. But the bottom line is that none of them, save FSD, can be had without bumping the base price of an AWD non-FS model above the $80K threshold for the Federal Incentive. If you want that incentive you'll have to forego any upgrades.

For many, losing the bigger wheels and AT tires is a squinty-eyed moment. Because for a lot of "truck things," they're strongly encouraged.

The premium connectivity is easy to dismiss because, hey, what's a hundred bucks a month? But that alone, over ten years, would be worth $10,000 $1,000.

Subscribe to FSD over that same ten year ownership and it's over ten grand.

That wonderful audio system that everyone talks about? You'll lose some of that.

And after enjoying heated seats on my Model 3, that Heated/Cooled Ventilated Seat option no longer strikes me as an affectation. I'd really hate to not have that.

The bottom line is that the Foundation Series Cybertruck really is a better value than a lot of people have given it credit for. Doesn't mean it's any more approachable. A hundred grand is a whole lot more than most of us have ever spent on a vehicle. But compared to the option-upgrade pricing that's coming on the non-FS vehicles, the FS trucks come off looking pretty good.

• 20" Cyber Wheels w/35" AT Tires: $4,000 - dont care, I will go with default. the overall wheel size still the same. 20 inch rims might look cool but not a truck thing.
• White Decor: $1,000 - hate it, big NO for me, it's stupid to have ultra white interior for truck or any family car, or man car . I want grey or black or any shade of black!
• FSD: $7,000 - $8,000 (can be dismissed since it can be bought later) - can get it as subscription lated as needed. Dont really care about it.
• Premium Connectivity will Require Subscription ($100 $10/mo) - can get it later, as needed (and I will get it )
• Premium Audio: $1,000 - it's not an option, seems like standard for all CTs. it is not listed as FS specific configuration option.
• Heated/Cooled Ventilated Front Seats: $1,000 - not listed as FS specific configuration option. I think it is standard for Tesla cars, at least my M3 has it in base model

 

[ThaDon]

Can someone please show me pictures of the foundation series, tires, and rims versus what may be different on the regular production? I’m not fully following.

 

[Cyber Man]

there is no way ventilated is going to be a paid feature.

Exactly! Where did this ventilated feature come from? I don’t see that as part of FS add on. Non FS should also have it.

 

[CyberTW]

• 20" Cyber Wheels w/35" AT Tires: $4,000 - dont care, I will go with default. the overall wheel size still the same. 20 inch rims might look cool but not a truck thing.
• White Decor: $1,000 - hate it, big NO for me, it's stupid to have ultra white interior for truck or any family car, or man car . I want grey or black or any shade of black!
• FSD: $7,000 - $8,000 (can be dismissed since it can be bought later) - can get it as subscription lated as needed. Dont really care about it.
• Premium Connectivity will Require Subscription ($100 $10/mo) - can get it later, as needed (and I will get it )
• Premium Audio: $1,000 - it's not an option, seems like standard for all CTs. it is not listed as FS specific configuration option.
• Heated/Cooled Ventilated Front Seats: $1,000 - not listed as FS specific configuration option. I think it is standard for Tesla cars, at least my M3 has it in base model

I hope you get your non-FS and enjoy the crap out of it, especially if none of those things do it for you. Some of those i will gladly take instead of waiting two years (I see FSD increasing by a lot the closer they get to unsupervised so I see a value in it far more than many). Hopefully we both can get our trucks soon and enjoy the heck out of them

 

[Cyber Man]

I hope you get your non-FS and enjoy the crap out of it, especially if none of those things do it for you. Some of those i will gladly take instead of waiting two years (I see FSD increasing by a lot the closer they get to unsupervised so I see a value in it far more than many). Hopefully we both can get our trucks soon and enjoy the heck out of them

Tesla has confirmed that they will honor the FSD price that we locked in when we made the reservation. Many early reservation holders have locked it for $7K to $8K. Here’s the confirmation from Tesla:

 

[Stuck4ger]

Don't want FSD, white interior, Powershare, and some of the other minor things like L hooks and d rings.

I do qualify for tax incentive and will pay less state tax for every dollar knocked off the price. Im looking at savings of $29.2k for non fs

Those that bought FS keep posting threads like this to justify their purchase. Probably a good amount of FS buyers can't really afford it comfortably either as evidenced by the amount who finance in this sky high interest environment.

Its too funny for the gotta have it crowd to be lecturing others when any sane person can see the bottom is about to fall out

Well my ex questioned my sanity, too. Ultimately time will tell who was right and who was the “FUD LOL” crowd.

 

[CyberTW]

Tesla has confirmed that they will honor the FSD price that we locked in when we made the reservation. Many early reservation holders have locked it for $7K to $8K. Here’s the confirmation from Tesla:

Never said they didn’t but if you ordered later (like 2 years after unveiling), all you had the option to do was reserve a truck.. no choice of what amount of motors, FSD, nothing. Those are the people I meant..

 

[mongo]

Premium audio and ventilated seats are not going to be an option. Those will come standard. No other Tesla has ever had options for that and it complicates manufacturing by having additional options.

Not that it matters, but premium audio was most definitely an option on S/X back in the day.
https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/tesla-features-explained-ultra-high-fidelity-sound/

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