FSD 12.5 starts rolling out in limited release (even to non-employees)!

[SCTesla]

I had a Y with no USS before the cybertruck. Autopark worked great on it and so when it comes to cybertruck it will be sweet.

For those wanting audible parking alerts....sorry but with vision based parking you will not get it with the cybertruck as it has no USS. The screen is like a 3d infrared environment where things turn red when you get too close and that plus cameras are what you use to know when to stop. Autopark will minimize the need but definitely about 80% as good as USS plus cameras IMHO.

They still play audible alerts when you get too close. I have it on my Model S.

Also, Elon said 12.5 is going out to the HW4 Model Y currently for testing.

So no CTs currently testing.

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[JohnnyDadBod]

Ah so the long anticipated end-to-end is not in there yet. Haven't seen any Cybertruck installs yet.

No version of FSD 12.5 will roll out for Cybertruck till the highway stack goes end to end. I am highly confident of this as it would make no sense to spend an inordinate amount of time manually customizing the rules based V11 stack for CT when end-to-end unified stack is coming. IMO, this is the entire reason that not even regular AP is available for CT. It is all waiting on the Single Stack.

 

[SCTesla]

No version of FSD 12.5 will roll out for Cybertruck till the highway stack goes end to end. I am highly confident of this as it would make no sense to spend an inordinate amount of time manually customizing the rules based V11 stack for CT when end-to-end unified stack is coming. IMO, this is the entire reason that not even regular AP is available for CT. It is all waiting on the Single Stack.

Agreed.

 

[QuantMech]

Finally! Commuting 1-2 hours everyday without this has been brutal. Cybertruck was my first Tesla and I am looking forward to this! Am I setting my expectations too high?

Keep in mind this is supervised full self driving and that word supervised is very important. We can talk till the cows come home about the wording full self driving part. Do yourself and anyone driving with you a huge favor and keep your hands on the wheel and you attention on completely taking over in a heart beat should something go wrong. I have owned/driven a model X since 2018 and use the FSD frequently but never take my attention from driving any longer than it takes to change the radio channel, press a preprogrammed button that i am very cognitive of where that button is located. I say these things because some people look at those videos of people behind the wheel of a tesla appearing to be in a deep somber sleep or with fake weighted hands placed on the wheel, assuming those a real those actions in my opinion are not only dangerous to those in each perspective vehicle but to the vehicles around them. All that said the self driving is fantastic on the highway and decent on the non highway roads and i am sure improving everyday but still far from perfect. Bottom line be diligent be safe.

 

[swengl]

I don't know about y'all, but there definitely needs to be some improvements with identifying signs/signals with the CT before FSD is rolled out. I am constantly overriding the TACC because it sees street lights as stoplights and wants to automatically slow down every time. It's annoying as Hell and occasionally dangerous if someone is directly behind me.

 

[Obie_fl]

No version of FSD 12.5 will roll out for Cybertruck till the highway stack goes end to end. I am highly confident of this as it would make no sense to spend an inordinate amount of time manually customizing the rules based V11 stack for CT when end-to-end unified stack is coming. IMO, this is the entire reason that not even regular AP is available for CT. It is all waiting on the Single Stack.

I was going to mention the same thing last night when I made that post. It doesn't make sense to release a dual stack 12.5 on the CT. I was very surprised to learn that 12.5 wasn't single stack it looks like they are jumping over 12.4 and put out a 12.5. I take that as a positive as it means they have a lot of confidence in 12.5.

 

[Obie_fl]

I don't know about y'all, but there definitely needs to be some improvements with identifying signs/signals with the CT before FSD is rolled out. I am constantly overriding the TACC because it sees street lights as stoplights and wants to automatically slow down every time. It's annoying as Hell and occasionally dangerous if someone is directly behind me.

I don't disagree but you are comparing two very different "animals". I have no idea what the current TACC software is based on I suspect it is quite dated and behind.

 

[Stuck4ger]

I don't know about y'all, but there definitely needs to be some improvements with identifying signs/signals with the CT before FSD is rolled out. I am constantly overriding the TACC because it sees street lights as stoplights and wants to automatically slow down every time. It's annoying as Hell and occasionally dangerous if someone is directly behind me.

Those are strictly TACC artifacts because it doesn’t clear for side traffic and doesn’t know if somebody is about to run a red light and be a hazard so it will default stop unless you confirm it’s clear by tapping the accelerator. FSD does great in that situation.

 

[Sjohnson20]

I don't know about y'all, but there definitely needs to be some improvements with identifying signs/signals with the CT before FSD is rolled out. I am constantly overriding the TACC because it sees street lights as stoplights and wants to automatically slow down every time. It's annoying as Hell and occasionally dangerous if someone is directly behind me.

Yeah my Model y is reading the minimum speed 40 signs in Georgia as the speed limit. It’s really annoying. Hopefully 12.5 fixes that.

 

[Stuck4ger]

Yeah my Model y is reading the minimum speed 40 signs in Georgia as the speed limit. It’s really annoying. Hopefully 12.5 fixes that.

I had multiple cases on the I-10 west in TX where FSD would slow down for the adjacent frontage road speed limit signs.

 

[Beyond]

I've had both FSD v12.3.6 and v12.4.3. V12.3.6 was good but v12.4.3 is far better, at least around here. V12.5 is being released at least to a few customers. Here's a Whole Mars video:

 

[Cyber Satoshi]

I've had both FSD v12.3.6 and v12.4.3. V12.3.6 was good but v12.4.3 is far better, at least around here. V12.5 is being released at least to a few customers. Here's a Whole Mars video:

Oh I'm ready for that! Pleeeasseee before Labor Day

 

[JohnnyDadBod]

I was going to mention the same thing last night when I made that post. It doesn't make sense to release a dual stack 12.5 on the CT. I was very surprised to learn that 12.5 wasn't single stack it looks like they are jumping over 12.4 and put out a 12.5. I take that as a positive as it means they have a lot of confidence in 12.5.

I'm slightly more cynical about my take on why FSD 12.5 was released late yesterday and why it is missing single stack, hands free w/sunglasses, and vehicle to vehicle communication. I think it has everything to do with the optics and messaging of today's Q2 2024 earnings call. Tesla wants to be able to emphasis the steady and accelerated advancement of FSD to highlight Tesla's advantage in AI and compute so being able to state that 12.5 has been released to customers (even if it is an extremely controlled group of handpicked individuals) is key to being able to state that.

A couple of items caused a cascade of delays, which is very typical in software development.

1) V12 was meant to be single stack from version 12.0. Early training and Alpha builds were a struggle to get a single stack to work well on both city streets and highway. Elon eluded to this in various posts on X. So, in order to get V12 out Tesla elected to release Neural Nets for city streets while sticking with V11 for the highway stack.

This is delay number 1 that resulted in Cybertruck not having FSD or basic AP upon release.

2) FSD 12.4 rollout. It was not smooth, to the point where the work had to continue throughout the month of June to get a version that was good enough for release to more than just the OG Early Access testers. I was lucky to be in this group with our Model X when receiving FSD 12.4.3. This delayed putting full focus on 12.5, causing the June date to be missed. As the earnings call got closer and closer there was probably a decision to pull the rip cord on further 12.4.x development and do whatever was needed to ship some flavor of 12.5 before the earnings call.


This is not to say that I am not a believer and supporter of FSD and its development. I've been an active user of FSD since V10.3 and FSD is one reason why there isn't another EV maker on the planet which I would consider at this time for future EV purchases. Elon tends to forecast delivery dates based on what is more often than not the most optimistic scenario where every star aligns completely to have 100% forward momentum with no setbacks or missed development deadlines vs what like to call the Scotty Method. The Scotty Method involves a bit of sandbagging so that the monumental work can get done ahead of schedule making one look like a miracle worker.

 

[CaffeinatedUser]

No version of FSD 12.5 will roll out for Cybertruck till the highway stack goes end to end. I am highly confident of this as it would make no sense to spend an inordinate amount of time manually customizing the rules based V11 stack for CT when end-to-end unified stack is coming. IMO, this is the entire reason that not even regular AP is available for CT. It is all waiting on the Single Stack.

12.5 is end to end highway and street

 

[CaffeinatedUser]

I don't know about y'all, but there definitely needs to be some improvements with identifying signs/signals with the CT before FSD is rolled out. I am constantly overriding the TACC because it sees street lights as stoplights and wants to automatically slow down every time. It's annoying as Hell and occasionally dangerous if someone is directly behind me.

TACC in the Cybertruck is old stack that just happened to work with cybertruck. The FSD is using AI.

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