Updated dry cathode battery - your thoughts?

[SCTesla]

No, no we didn't. The post-delivery Cybertruck never was set to a slower charging rate than the 4680 Model Y.

Basically what I'm saying here is... don't worry about it.

-Crissa

It's still a slower rate than the 2170 and it's had 2 updates.

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[Mini2nut]

But only problem is you have to wait at-least till 2026 unless you have day 1 reservation. after FS, its going back to the start line.

Early morning day 2 reservation.

I received my Limited Edition Foundation Series invite in early March. I’m guessing Q1/Q2 2025 for my non-FS delivery.

 

[HaulingAss]

Now you're arguing semantics. You agree with me that new batteries are crippled, protected, restricted...what ever term you want to use while Tesla validates in the real world. As I stated to someone else, Tesla has done it with every single NEW battery. My only point is that 1. Most new batteries are to save cost for Tesla (See 4680 vs 2170) and 2. Getting a brand new battery is always a step back for the consumer...At first. Just ad the CT, 4680 MY, 2020 18650, and the launch of the Panasonic 2170 showd us, yes they eventually get software updates to improve, but also get new revisions to improve.

I'll reiterate, you are making a big deal over nothing. Charge speed is not a deciding purchase factor for anyone when it comes to Telsa vehicles.

 

[HaulingAss]

Those of us who are holding off for non-FS truck‘s will be rewarded with a lower price, less bugs and hopefully a dry cathode 4680 battery pack.

And you're missing out on a bang-up truck!

I understand the logic of waiting for a lower price, not so much why anyone would care whether the battery was made with a wet or dry cathode. That makes no sense.

And I really don't understand waiting for less bugs. Huh? I haven't seen any notable bugs in 3 1/2 months of use. What exactly are you referring to here?

 

[Mini2nut]

Production parts get updated and software gets more refined as the service center invoices make their way to engineering. If Tesla notices a trend of a failing part its root cause is found and tweaks are made.

 

[Woodrick]

You’re acting like I’m a Tesla exec ?. They will definitely do something like this, they lowered the price of the refreshed model s/x by more than 30% after a year. Did they compensate anyone? Nope! Just a big hit to those first customers. They did the same thing with HW3 to HW4. No announcement, they just started putting it in new vehicles one day, hence the obsolete hardware clause in your agreement.

I’m not saying I agree with it, but Rivian and GM are offering products with more range and once Tesla opens up a second assembly line, they need to attract demand and if they have increased range they won’t hesitate to offer it, regardless of what it will do to your resale value.

You knew the specs of the car before you bought it. Doesn’t matter what they said 5 years ago, it’s irrelevant.

But just to be clear, nobody knows what this will do to the range, or charging curve, or anything other than cost. It’s all speculation. Until it comes from Tesla themselves, it’s anyone’s guess. My guess is that this completes the 4680 and they can now optimize it for all the goodies that were promised, e.g. 400+Wh/Kg. But who knows how long this will take. Could be 4th quarter or 2027 lol.

Except that Tesla has repeatedly said that 300 miles range was their target.

 

[Woodrick]

Those of us who are holding off for non-FS truck‘s will be rewarded with a lower price, less bugs and hopefully a dry cathode 4680 battery pack.

Rationalize it all you want, that doesn't mean that it's true.

 

[SentinelOne]

I'll vote for more range (IDGAF about dry electrode in and of itself) but my beast is vin 19xxx and while they may improve components over time truck seems pretty damn solid as is. Price is up to the individual situ, I chose to pay vs. wait....and would do it again!

when they make a meaningful change to range or function that I'm interested in, I'll sell/buy a new one - still have a late reservation in queue....

 

[ChristoN]

Rationalize it all you want, that doesn't mean that it's true.

That's 100% true. It's true for any new product. It's 10X more applicable to Tesla since they don't wait years to implement new manufacturing techniques, batteries, options, features etc... I purchased a 2021 Model S at the end of the first generation and it had none of the issues people in the forums had for many years. Same thing happened with my new MS just a couple months ago. The screen swivels, new steering wheel, better rear screen, better memory on the GPU, HW4 (which they never announced, they just quietly introduced it and people saw them in the delivery lot one day). The swivel screen actually had the bracket installed without the motors when Munro did the teardown and they implemented the swivel function less than a year after it came out. Same thing will happen to the CB. Prices will drop, specs will improve, they will add and subtract things constantly. To think that the Cybertruck will remain the same for the next few years or even the next few months is not rational. Tesla has a well documented history to support this.

 

[Crissa]

It's still a slower rate than the 2170 and it's had 2 updates.

Why would that count as the Cybercell having its own reduction, unless you're being dishonest?

https://insideevs.com/news/711475/tesla-cybertruck-327-kw-peak-charging-rate/#:~:text=The%20Cybertruck%20is%20Tesla's%20first,327%20kW%20to%20the%20Cybertruck.

-Crissa

 

[SCTesla]

Why would that count as the Cybercell having its own reduction, unless you're being dishonest?

https://insideevs.com/news/711475/tesla-cybertruck-327-kw-peak-charging-rate/#:~:text=The%20Cybertruck%20is%20Tesla's%20first,327%20kW%20to%20the%20Cybertruck.

-Crissa

I'm not following your post. The Cybercell was originally released with a much slower charging curve than it has today and Tesla has said more updates are coming. They monitor the cells remotely and unlock charging speed as they are confident that reliability isn't impacted as they do with all new batteries.

 

[mongo]

@Crissa, @SCTesla I think you are discussing different things.
Switching cell designs, Tesla has started with more conservative charge curves and then dialed them up.
Within a cell type, I think they've only reduced it after release on the 90kWh packs with extra silicon.

4680 was slower than 2170, Y 4680 to Cyber 4680 (10% boost due to to usable internal volume) is arguably a different cell, but I believe they kept the charge curve.
Cyber wet 4680 to dry 4680 is also a different cell, and may start more conservative, but I expect it would not need to unless binder displaced a significant amount of existing material.

 

[SCTesla]

@Crissa, @SCTesla I think you are discussing different things.
Switching cell designs, Tesla has started with more conservative charge curves and then dialed them up.
Within a cell type, I think they've only reduced it after release on the 90kWh packs with extra silicon.

4680 was slower than 2170, Y 4680 to Cyber 4680 (10% boost due to to usable internal volume) is arguably a different cell, but I believe they kept the charge curve.
Cyber wet 4680 to dry 4680 is also a different cell, and may start more conservative, but I expect it would not need to unless binder displaced a significant amount of existing material.

I wasn't inferring that the Cybercell was slower than the Model Y 4680, just that they nerfed the charging curve in it and gradually increased and still plan to increase it more after they see in field results.

Tesla has always done this with new cells or new chemistry (18650, 2170, 4680 revisions). New battery tech is almost always (always from what I can tell, but there may be a case where it was equal in the past) a benefit to Tesla and not a leap for consumers, at first.

There's no reason to wait for the dry cathode as it will likely be on par or at first worse than the current version for consumers.

 

[Crissa]

I wasn't inferring that the Cybercell was slower than the...

Okay, so you don't have a consistent message. Just a 'things are bad' message. Got it.

-Crissa

 

[SCTesla]

Okay, so you don't have a consistent message. Just a 'things are bad' message. Got it.

-Crissa

Not bad, just reduced at first. I said that multiple times. It's not like they are delivering shit, just nerfed.

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