4680 dry cathode battery for the CyberTruck. When and what range?

[mongo]

210 miles? I'm about to do that this evening and expect to have a decent amount left over. And I'm going over some mountains and will be far from Superchargers, especially on the last half!
Been doing it in each of my Teslas for years.

240 between the Superchargers. Doable, but with Cybertruck, not by much.

240 * .450kW/ mile (my average from 75MPH portion of a 500+ mile loop at 70 degrees, clear skies) = 108kW = 88% so 12% buffer if starting at 100% (long Supercharger session).

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[Woodrick]

240 between the Superchargers. Doable, but with Cybertruck, not by much.

240 * .450kW/ mile (my average from 75MPH portion of a 500+ mile loop at 70 degrees, clear skies) = 108kW = 88% so 12% buffer if starting at 100% (long Supercharger session).

But it is doable and slowing down just a little bit makes it easy. It's bout 10% for every 5 mph.

And even on Texas Interstates that average 85 mph, there are many vehicles going slower. It is perfectly okay to go a little slower on an Interstate. Think of it this way, how many trucks slow down to 45-55 mph when going up inclines?

 

[CTOWannabe]

210 miles? I'm about to do that this evening and expect to have a decent amount left over. And I'm going over some mountains and will be far from Superchargers, especially on the last half!
Been doing it in each of my Teslas for years.

Not sure why everyone doesn't see it's actually 240 to get to another charger. Anyway, let me know if you can do that going about 85mph. If you can do 240 at 85-90mph, then that's great. From what I've seen others report here, that 180mile is about all youre going to get at around 80mph in the cybertruck.

The speed limits around texas are 85mph in places, and average speed is 85-90 in the 75mph zones. In the 85mph zones average speed is between 95-103.

So I need to be able to go at least 85mph because I do not want to get rear-ended.

 

[mongo]

Not sure why everyone doesn't see it's actually 240 to get to another charger. Anyway, let me know if you can do that going about 85mph. If you can do 240 at 85-90mph, then that's great. From what I've seen others report here, that 180mile is about all youre going to get at around 80mph in the cybertruck.

The speed limits around texas are 85mph in places, and average speed is 85-90 in the 75mph zones. In the 85mph zones average speed is between 95-103.

So I need to be able to go at least 85mph because I do not want to get rear-ended.

Yeah, at 85MPH it will be somewhere more than 180 miles and under 240 miles for 90%.
If 75 is 500 Wh, 85 is 640 (worst case) for 185 miles.
Our 75 legs were 450 putting 85 at 580Wh/mile (worst case) and range at 190 (90%).
Head vs tail wind has a huge impact at that speed.

 

[Woodrick]

Not sure why everyone doesn't see it's actually 240 to get to another charger. Anyway, let me know if you can do that going about 85mph. If you can do 240 at 85-90mph, then that's great. From what I've seen others report here, that 180mile is about all youre going to get at around 80mph in the cybertruck.

The speed limits around texas are 85mph in places, and average speed is 85-90 in the 75mph zones. In the 85mph zones average speed is between 95-103.

So I need to be able to go at least 85mph because I do not want to get rear-ended.

Conveniently deleted the part of my post that contradicts your statement.

You don't have your truck, you don't have an EV, your knowledge is just in reading and no experience.

 

[mongo]

Conveniently deleted the part of my post that contradicts your statement.

You don't have your truck, you don't have an EV, your knowledge is just in reading and no experience.

Nothing was deleted though?

 

[CTOWannabe]

Conveniently deleted the part of my post that contradicts your statement.

You don't have your truck, you don't have an EV, your knowledge is just in reading and no experience.

And you dont have an argument

 

[FL370]

I have several. But one I mentioned here (between Lubbock to Wichita Falls (210 miles) but the nearest charger is in Henrietta, so about 240 miles between chargers):
https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...ertruck-when-and-what-range.22622/post-392677

Just slow down. I drive 111 miles each way to work, San Diego to LAX. My CT is sitting at 72% in a parking garage as we speak. 222 miles round trip is easy peasy. I can do 95 mph home if I chose (to get a ticket) and still make it with no charging.


My other driver is an Airbus where I do 520 mph so I have nothing to prove by going fast. 4,000 range too (6,000 gallons of Jet A.) Guess what? I won't get that range at Mach 0.80 either. Parasitic drag is a real ... drag.

 

[SentinelOne]

Just slow down. I drive 111 miles each way to work, San Diego to LAX. My CT is sitting at 72% in a parking garage as we speak. 222 miles round trip is easy peasy. I can do 95 mph home if I chose (to get a ticket) and still make it with no charging.


My other driver is an Airbus where I do 520 mph so I have nothing to prove by going fast. 4,000 range too (6,000 gallons of Jet A.) Guess what? I won't get that range at Mach 0.80 either. Parasitic drag is a real ... drag.

Love the "my other driver...."! And agree drag is real and what kills range.

Having lived in SD for 6 years (CA for 32 years) and flown out of LAX frequently....it's pretty easy to slow down given the speed limits and traffic, and I think I have like 20 tickets from my time in California.

-- Yesterday I went dirt biking south of denver - 200mi round trip, had 20% left upon return...easy peasy. But, its because I went toward denver aka traffic...some high speed cruise, some stop and go, some mountains with twists and turns - so overall average speed was EV Friendly - was impressed with range, that I didnt have to charge, etc- with 2 bikes in the air stream I was only 15-20% less efficient than my average....everything worked perfect.....

-- Previous dirtbike trip was to Wyoming / heading north and it sucked
Where I live (Northern Colorado with trips to WY and into the mountains), assume parts of TX are similar:
--They dont ticket for revenue / aren't savage like CA CHP - you can literally drive by a highway patrol doing 90 in a 75 on a sport bike, on the pipe, and not get a ticket (assuming you aren't doing stupid crossing lanes, etc)
-- Speed limit is 75mph on lots of roads and accepted / norm speed / flow of traffic is 80-90mph...driving 75 will get you passed by Semi's
--Heading north (not toward denver) - there's very light to 0 traffic
--Driving a beast that easily cruises at 90mph and with no logical reason to slow down is very difficult to do and sux if you have to artificially constrain speed so you can get there!
-- Efficiency was poor due to the speed / bike drag and WY supercharging situ is crap (few stalls and low charging speeds)

So yes, slow down for range, we all get it. It's just that some of our situations are different and it's frustrating and a limitation...aka much easier for those trapped in Cityscape vs. rural...we'll learn, we have no choice, but we still want to bitch about it

 

[Woodrick]

And you dont have an argument

And you do?

Some real-life examples suggest that you are indeed complaining about a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[CTOWannabe]

Just slow down. I drive 111 miles each way to work, San Diego to LAX. My CT is sitting at 72% in a parking garage as we speak. 222 miles round trip is easy peasy. I can do 95 mph home if I chose (to get a ticket) and still make it with no charging.


My other driver is an Airbus where I do 520 mph so I have nothing to prove by going fast. 4,000 range too (6,000 gallons of Jet A.) Guess what? I won't get that range at Mach 0.80 either. Parasitic drag is a real ... drag.

In the places where the posted speed limit is 85, you really cant slow down. Youre going to get rear ended going 65.

Very cool on the airbus!

 

[CTOWannabe]

And you do?

Some real-life examples suggest that you are indeed complaining about a problem that doesn't exist.

I gave you one. 240 miles and I need to go at least 80-85. I gave you the lubbock route, you just choose to ignore it because you have no argument.

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

I currently have an ICE solution, but truly love the cybertruck. For my particular use case, I'm reallllllly close to the range I will need. That's why I'm hoping there is some bump in range in the not too distant future. 50-70 more miles of real range get me there and I will be all over it when it happens. Or better yet, if a few of those spots get superchargers, the issue just goes away.

I'm rooting for the tech and it will all be far less of an issue in a few years. But per this thread, I'm hoping I can get something that works sooner rather than later, because I really think it's a super cool truck.

That's why I'm hoping some that know something about the battery tech and/or upcoming revisions might chime in here to give me a little bit of optimism and hope in getting there sooner rather than later.

The dry cathode won't affect range, but separately Tesla staff have said that the next gen 4680 (v3) cells should produce a 5-10% range boost and be ready by the end of the year. I wouldn't be surprised to see it launch with the dry cathode. It's one reason I'm planning to wait until '25 to place an order.

 

[mongo]

The dry cathode won't affect range, but separately Tesla staff have said that the next gen 4680 (v3) cells should produce a 5-10% range boost and be ready by the end of the year. I wouldn't be surprised to see it launch with the dry cathode. It's one reason I'm planning to wait until '25 to place an order.

To confirm, those are separate statements from the 10% boost current Cybertruck 4680s have over Gen 1 that were used in Ys?

 

[CTOWannabe]

The dry cathode won't affect range, but separately Tesla staff have said that the next gen 4680 (v3) cells should produce a 5-10% range boost and be ready by the end of the year. I wouldn't be surprised to see it launch with the dry cathode. It's one reason I'm planning to wait until '25 to place an order.

First, I LOVE your screen name and the movie!

The time table on this is seemingly pretty good, only 6-9 month delay from "elon time" which is pretty great, considering the track record:

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...onic-ready-to-ramp-4860-ev-battery-production

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