FSD is not good enough for me. Sorry

[rlhamil]

If robotaxis release with even similar or slightly better than the CT in software and capabilities it would be a disaster on day 1.

Most robotaxis are geofenced to only operate in a limited area that they have deeper data for and probably more frequent data updates. And even then they will sometimes just give up and pull over, perhaps causing traffic jams. And there have been a very few injuries or fatalities. Are they worse than human drivers? If all humans were as awesome as some think they are, yes. Compared to the average human driver, they might not be worse.

Neither Tesla nor anyone else is likely to reach level 5 in a week or a year, or level 4 except in a very geofenced context. Maybe in a decade or more. Very maybe in slightly less than a decade.

Right now, regular Tesla FSD is still level 2, although I'd say it's very close to level 3. Whether levels higher than 3 can be achieved with only cameras is controversial; although humans do mostly well enough with just sight (and sometimes hearing)...and allegedly, brains.

Human taxi drivers have caused injuries or fatalities. The late author/priest Andrew Greeley suffered a concussion he never really recovered from (although he lived some years after that, but never wrote or preached again) because the driver was too eager to depart, and his coat was caught. That's the one I know of off the top of my head, but given the gross error involved, I can't help but think that sort of thing may be all too commonplace. Taxi drivers are often tired and usually as focused on making a buck as on safety.

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[BengalBoy]

I've been using FSD for 3 days now taking me to and from work, the gym, and grocery. On the 1st day I agree it was very sharp turning to the left into a new lane making me insecure it will clip the front of a car waiting at the stop light. Turning left into parking lots where a median is present or high curbs. In all cases it does not make contact, and I've learned it is very precise in the maneuvers. It has also become confused traveling in a construction zone where a new interchange is being built and the road is coned off into different inappropriate marked lanes of traffic, or, completely removed of asphalt with slag rock filling the holes. It has stopped, slowed, and become confused requiring me to take over. All of these routes I've taken each day as my routine from home to work to gym to home. And today what I've noticed is the CyberDriver is learning. It isn't getting confused in the construction zone and it is becoming smoother with left turns and a more comfortable distance to the cars in other lanes it is turning by. While I could be optimistic or just becoming conditioned to the left turn improvement, there is no doubt it is no longer getting confused in the construction zone. It did not stop today, hesitate, or slow when going through that area. FSD is learning by use. That is how the feature and autonomy will improve. Use it, be ready to take over, provide the data to Tesla's supercomputer and AI. Then, one day it will become "Johnny Cab."

 

[HaulingAss]

I understand it's the best thing out there for the moment in terms of being close to autonomous but it certainly isn't good enough yet to drive itself without interventions in urban areas.

Do you always state the obvious?

If it were good enough for full autonomy, it would no longer be called "FSD Supervised" and Tesla would no longer monitor the driver to make sure they were paying attention. Duh!

 

[HaulingAss]

Right now, regular Tesla FSD is still level 2, although I'd say it's very close to level 3. Whether levels higher than 3 can be achieved with only cameras is controversial; although humans do mostly well enough with just sight (and sometimes hearing)...and allegedly, brains.

You think humans do "mostly well enough" in terms of safety?

1.9 million auto fatalities in 2023 would argue otherwise. Do you understand what 1.9 million fatalities looks like? I fail to see how anyone thinks 1,900,000 deaths in only one year is acceptable. That's a bloodbath!

 

[scottf200]

Your post is nonsensical.
Of course it's not good enough. That's why it's supervised. -Crissa

"supervised" was recently added (certainly for legal CYA reason)
so let's not pretend it wasn't intentionally misleading for a very long time.

I've personally used "FSD" and have watched it *very* closely for many years.

 

[Crissa]

"supervised" was recently added (certainly for legal CYA reason)
so let's not pretend it wasn't intentionally misleading for a very long time.

I've personally used "FSD" and have watched it *very* closely for many years.

It wasn't misleading, since for a long time it was simply 'later'. Then it was beta, and that also implies supervised, but ugh.

Why would anyone think the current version meant it could be used without supervision?

-Crissa

 

[scottf200]

It wasn't misleading, since for a long time it was simply 'later'. Then it was beta, and that also implies supervised, but ugh.

Why would anyone think the current version meant it could be used without supervision? -Crissa

Elon and many tweets he has responded to have been very misleading. As well as presentations he's been part of. As well as interviews/demos he has done from the drivers seat. This is not even close an arguable point.

As I recall you have never owned a Tesla with FSD? Correct?
So you only know what you read on the internet?

 

[Crissa]

Elon and many tweets he has responded to have been very misleading. As well as presentations he's been part of. As well as interviews/demos he has done from the drivers seat. This is not even close an arguable point.

It is, since you failed to show anything misleading.

As I recall you have never owned a Tesla with FSD? Correct?
So you only know what you read on the internet?

How does this change what was advertised, described, or said? You don't need to own things to read anything misleading.

-Crissa

 

[scottf200]

How does this change what was advertised, described, or said? You don't need to own things to read anything misleading.

So your answer is you have never owned a Tesla with FSD. Your understanding is very limited then.
KEY POINT: Having used FSD a lot gives one *significant* insight into what you see (clips or longer youtube video) and read about what it can/cannot do. You can understand the subtleties *much* better.

The misleading aspect is not even close to an arguable point after years of examples. I have followed all aspects of it from the very beginning and have used it for years.

 

[Darthamerica]

It is, since you failed to show anything misleading.


How does this change what was advertised, described, or said? You don't need to own things to read anything misleading.

-Crissa

Because some of us who own the vehicles were told one thing, and then Tesla failed to deliver when the technology ultimately proved not to be capable of what was claimed at the time. Tesla has made misleading claims before.

If you own the vehicle, then you’re more likely to have first hand experience with this. Tesla isn’t perfect or always right

 

[Celiboy]

Agree with over turning on lefts. On the highway it's speed and lane changing behavior is overall better than 12.3. It still waits way too late to get over to get to an exit.

Agreed. Previous versions signal and move over exactly a half mile from the exit on the highway. This version goes longer to the point at ont time I had to take over before I missed my exit. It was in the fastest lane but couldn’t get over because of traffic because it waited too long to get over.

The good thing is this is the first version for Cybertruck and all of our feedback will help them improve it.

 

[jerhenderson]

I understand it's the best thing out there for the moment in terms of being close to autonomous but it certainly isn't good enough yet to drive itself without interventions in urban areas. If Robotaxis is the same as FSD 12.5.5, it would be highly risky I think. I love Tesla so I really want it to be good but it cuts corners too sharply and also misses things that it cannot classify such as plastic roadsigns that stick up in the middle of the street (it does see cones and other objects though). As an example of a dangerous scenario, mine made a turn and instead of going on the road, it went onto a local light rail track and followed that path instead which could be disastrous if one happened to have been oncoming.

It's learning.

 

[Crissa]

The misleading aspect is not even close to an arguable point after years of examples.

Because some of us who own the vehicles were told one thing, and...

...Zero citations on this misleading 'one thing' you were told.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

Geez, what a way to lose an argument.

If you're going to make a claim, back it up with evidence, scottf200

-Crissa

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