10,000+ Miles Driving a Cybertruck – Things learned: range, great sound and full love/hate list after 10k miles

[Crissa]

What gen are the current CT batteries from factory shipping with? Gen1 or Gen2?

We don't know, other than they're the 'cyber cell' so people have been calling them gen 2. We can't know exactly how many iterations they do in the background.

The Munro teardown should confirm this information.

-Crissa

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[XCeilidhX]

I understand your use case of needing to "faster" charge. One hurdle is unless you have a dual charger in your Tesla (early Model S like HaulingAss or a CyberTruck), you cannot take advantage of a 100amp circuit. The best you can get is a 46 amp rate (11kW), which requires a 60 amp circuit. If you drop to a standard breaker size of 50 amps you can still charge (always multiply 80%) at 40 amps, which is still 9.6 kW.

So has it been confirmed that the tri motor CB is the only Tesla other than the dual charger early Model S like I have that can take the higher amperage? Somehow I missed that but if so now there is no way I’m getting the AWD because for me that difference is actually important. When I got my wife’s M3 I was so bummed to learn they cut the charging capacity for home chargers in half. I know most are used to the lower charging rate and don’t need more or don’t want the significantly increased cost of a 100 amp breaker and wire run (and possibly upgrading the main panel to accommodate that as we had to do) but for me this discovery is like Christmas morning as a kid if that’s official. Yippie-skippy!

Cheers

 

[Gigahorse]

If you weren't feeding it bullshit, it wouldn't output bullshit.

You gave us a route that avoids all the gas stations and towns, too. I lived there, I'm calling your 'route' bullshit.

-Crissa

If you think that a Tesla Cybertruck will be able to use a "gas station" I don't know what to say.
The Cybertruck is an electric vehicle and is not able to be powered by gasoline or diesel other than with a generator which is terribly inefficient and not what it was design for.

 

[YDR37]

Are you referring to Go Anywhere | Tesla ?
If so, for similar results, pick the Model 3 Performance
For pessimistic results, pick the Mode 3 RWD
Add 25-30% to the charging times.

Those approximations may be valid. But they don't answer the original question.

The original question was not: "How can the official Tesla route planner be used to approximate the performance of the Cybertruck?"

The original question was: "why hasn't Tesla updated its Trip Planner for CT?"

One possible answer is that Tesla doesn't want to acknowledge the relatively long charging times for the Cybertruck (which are implied by the need to "add 25-30% to the charging times" in the suggested approximation).

It isn't surprising that the large Cybertruck battery takes longer to charge than the smaller batteries in older Tesla models. But Tesla could be more transparent about this limitation.

 

[DelPhonic1]

Great summary. Reading between the lines of other reviews I’ve seen, all of what you said tracks. Shame the range is so low. I was hoping road noise would have been better too. I’ll be eagerly awaiting the full video review. And my VIN assignment

Thats what I get with my Plaid-- what a lead foot will give you. He mentioned he drives aggressively, similar to me. Most will not drive 85 with 100- 150mph bursts every once in a while.

 

[Gigahorse]

Crissa it's ok I'm asking about range on roads less traveled. I need to be able to get out into a hilly wilderness and then back again without supercharging at a Target

With the planners you can make a plan to go ANYWHERE, not just from LA to San Fracisco.
Build in some conservancy and current real world numbers you should be ok, enjoy your adventures!

 

[Woodrick]

I understand your use case of needing to "faster" charge. One hurdle is unless you have a dual charger in your Tesla (early Model S like HaulingAss or a CyberTruck), you cannot take advantage of a 100amp circuit. The best you can get is a 46 amp rate (11kW), which requires a 60 amp circuit. If you drop to a standard breaker size of 50 amps you can still charge (always multiply 80%) at 40 amps, which is still 9.6 kW.

I've seen no indications that indicate that the CyberBeast supports 22kW. To the contrary everything indicates that it only supports 11kW bidirectional charging.
That's supported by the PowerShare equipment in the Foundation Series Package.

 

[Woodrick]

Those approximations may be valid. But they don't answer the original question.

The original question was not: "How can the official Tesla route planner be used to approximate the performance of the Cybertruck?"

The original question was: "why hasn't Tesla updated its Trip Planner for CT?"

One possible answer is that Tesla doesn't want to acknowledge the relatively long charging times for the Cybertruck (which are implied by the need to "add 25-30% to the charging times" in the suggested approximation).

It isn't surprising that the large Cybertruck battery takes longer to charge than the smaller batteries in older Tesla models. But Tesla could be more transparent about this limitation.

You know, companies can be pretty big. It's often that a left hand and a right hand don't talk. And the trips site hasn't ever been on the top of Tesla's priority map. I think that they just updated the range on the cars to make them more realistic.

Sure, it would be nice if it was updated. But I can just get in the car and let it do the planning or now I can do it in the app.

 

[Warbird]

So has it been confirmed that the tri motor CB is the only Tesla other than the dual charger early Model S like I have that can take the higher amperage? Somehow I missed that but if so now there is no way I’m getting the AWD because for me that difference is actually important. When I got my wife’s M3 I was so bummed to learn they cut the charging capacity for home chargers in half. I know most are used to the lower charging rate and don’t need more or don’t want the significantly increased cost of a 100 amp breaker and wire run (and possibly upgrading the main panel to accommodate that as we had to do) but for me this discovery is like Christmas morning as a kid if that’s official. Yippie-skippy!

Cheers

Note: This table was created by Grok. I have confirmed the Max AC charge rates for the early Model S with dual charger, and the Model Y which I personally own. I cannot confirm charge rates for the other Models.

 

[Warbird]

I've seen no indications that indicate that the CyberBeast supports 22kW. To the contrary everything indicates that it only supports 11kW bidirectional charging.
That's supported by the PowerShare equipment in the Foundation Series Package.

Note: This table was created by Grok. I have confirmed the Max AC charge rates for the early Model S with dual charger, and the Model Y which I personally own. I cannot confirm charge rates for the other Models.

 

[Woodrick]

Note: This table was created by Grok. I have confirmed the Max AC charge rates for the early Model S with dual charger, and the Model Y which I personally own. I cannot confirm charge rates for the other Models.

AFAIK, It's not correct. The Model S never went to 92A it was limited to 17.2kW

From a kind of random site, but it jives with what I know and remember.

1. Maximum power intake of your Tesla: This is either 17.2 kW or 11.5 kW depending on which variant you own.
   • All Model S variants come standard with 11.5 kW charging to for a maximum of 32 miles of range per hour charging.
   • Model S variants with the “High Amperage Charger” option can accept up to 17.2 kW of power for a maximum 52 miles of range per hour.

AFAIK, each vehicle has two separate "chargers" (I had one go out a while back and AC charging was cut in half). The Model S and I think the Model X has some models that supported a third "charger" So if you had the extra module installed, you got a higher charging rate.
That brought the circuit requirements up to 100A, which is far beyond what many homes have available. There are a huge number of homes that can't even support 60A charging.

 

[kpanda17]

At the 2020 Battery Day presentation Tesla laid out a six year plan for battery development. That would be 2026. How do you figure that development of 4680 is behind schedule?

true, but there are a lot of unsatisfied CT potential or existing buyers not happy with the range the gen 2 4680s are providing
there was a 4680 timeline and CT timeline given which don't completely intersect and align unless you are inside Tesla and see that
from the outside, looks like the CT is behind for more acceptable range and it finally being sold

lets hope they can accelerate the generations of the 4680

 

[kpanda17]

Agree jury still out, and kinks possibly still to work out.

separately, and I mean this only out of intellectual curiosity:

Lightning has only 7kWh more pack

Lightning has materially worse Cd

Lightning has non-trivially larger frontal area

Linghtning (mostly) have no heat pump (until 2024)

meanwhile…

Cybertruck range / efficiency coming in similarly (at best?), despite all the expectation for general Tesla efficiency superiority?

The CT’s better Cd is already taken into account, generally (including tire width effects).

One might blame the tire/wheel sets, but seems to me questionable. Answer there in large part comes down to the difference in weight of the wheel/tire sets of the Lightning and CT.

Guess now I want someone to weigh the CT wheel/tire sets

what are the current real test ranges of the Lightening and R1T?

 

[Crissa]

If you think that a Tesla Cybertruck will be able to use a "gas station" I don't know what to say.
The Cybertruck is an electric vehicle and is not able to be powered by gasoline or diesel other than with a generator which is terribly inefficient and not what it was design for.

You're the one making hay that there's no superchargers on a tertiary wilderness road and feeding it freeway speeds for that span.

But hey, you're admitting your route was bullshit, because you stopped defending it,

Stop trolling.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

Crissa it's ok I'm asking about range on roads less traveled. I need to be able to get out into a hilly wilderness and then back again without supercharging at a Target

You charge before heading out into the wilderness. Just like you'd stop for gas. The number of jump off points is fewer than I'd like, sure, but...

....This route he's using is BS, since you can't drive 70 on that highway he's saying doesn't work. You'd go from 25-60, depending upon segment.

And unlike his rant about gas stations, an EV doesn't care how it gets its electrons, what the inverter/generator runs on. So if you know you're going to be out somewhere, you can grab pile of solar cells or a generator or plug in to whatever outlets may be around.

But as I said, that red hop would be one I'd stock up my car up with desert stuff to make, and expect it to take most of the day. You never know what you'll see on those desert roads. Sometimes nothing, sometimes you gotta stop 'cause someone's got a herd parked on the tarmac, sometimes there's a fallen tree or slide, sometimes there's a herd of javelina.

-Crissa

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