Battery Pack Teardown Photos Reveals Empty Spaces (Sandy Munro Live)

[BannedByTMC]

Problems:
1. The EPA cycle isn't the 70 mph he drove, and in cold weather.
2. People will charge to 100% when they need to. People undercharging the pack is not relevant to the rated range.
3. Driving till it dies or not is once again irrelevant to the rated range. Do you understand how ratings work? If you drive such that you get similar wh/mi power draw, charge to 100%, and drive it until empty that is the rated range, period. Any other different parameters will change the result. Drive it at 30mph and you might get 500 miles of range.

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[Crissa]

Eat crow.

This last weekend's forecast.

-Crissa

My spouse says I'm endumbenating an already dumb argument. Take the L, admit you exaggerated. At no point am I arguing that a minority of trucks don't need more range, or that you, yourself, don't need more range. ...You seem to have forgotten that in your goalpost moving...

 

[Crissa]

No, you posted this:

-Crissa

 

[BannedByTMC]

No it started because you said no CT had done 300 miles of range when in fact they have. I simply pointed out, correctly, that driving in a manner and conditions other than how the range was rated would provide different results. Clearly you need much more than rated range, fine, then reality suggests the CT is not going to work for you.

 

[Crissa]

Oh, hey, it's a light dusting of old snow on grass.

Because that totally represents a large number of truck miles!

Seems like you're continuing to derail the conversation and move the goalposts.

-Crissa

PS with a completely dry road in the background!

 

[Woodrick]

How many manufacturers show early prototypes of vehicles? How many of those specs come true?

 

[Woodrick]

I have, there wasn't.

There was an indication that the tri-motor would have 500 miles, not the AWD or RWD. And these were not promises. These were only early estimates.

But, that's the past, today is today. It doesn't matter anymore, because you can only get what they got.

 

[Woodrick]

There's been a number that have made it in the ball game. I don't have mine yet, but I expect that it's not hard to make it to 400 miles or even 500 miles.

The early Model 3 had a range of about 310, that same model has gone over 600 miles in a single charge.

 

[Woodrick]

Except for the people on this very forum who reported getting 300. Anyone familiar with EV's should know that estimated range is only achieved in certain conditions, especially with Tesla who uses the most positive correction factors for EPA testing.

Take that EV word out. It's ANY vehicle.

Drive an ICE around in the city (where most miles are driven) and let's see if it can meet it's EPA numbers.

 

[Woodrick]

YES! Good observation and I hope this is the case. I NEED the range for towing AND boondocking power. There are just not many practical sources of power in the Mountain/desert West. I signed up for the extender but hate it’s in the bed (why not under the back seat) and must be installed/uninstalled by service. We are so desperate we are shamefully and reluctantly looking at a generator!
I see the profit motive as a significant factor but not an absolute. The CT did not need several expensive features like 4WS or tri motors. Range/power is a deal breaker for some making the Silverado/Hummer very attractive.
I would give up my extender deposit AND/OR reservation spot for more integrated power.
Thanks to everyone’s thought on this “powerful” discussion.

And in your specific case, the Silverado EV may be a better decision.

But that is how much of your driving? 50%? 5%? 0.5%?

And don't forget that the decent charging rates for the Silverado EV are done on 350kW pedestals. They get scarce out of town. So I'm sure that you will be happy with 2+ hour charging.

 

[Woodrick]

I am wondering if they could fit a double stack of 4680 cells in there, if they went to a different bottom lid that is 4 inches deeper. IT seems like the cells would fit int he structural pack that bolts to the truck, just fine. But the bottom lid/skid plate is not quite deep enough. Personally Id rather give up 4 inches of ground clearance than half the bed.
I also dont think we would need a full double layer. 30% to 40% more battery would give the truck the needed range to be a great road trip truck. Maybe not a towing truck, though. Probalby need 80% to 100% more cells for that.
360 miles real highway speed range (roughly 420 EPA), would give roughly 220 miles of range between 20% and 60%, which is the ideal supercharging range. I think with this configuration, you could drive 3 hours at highway speeds, between supercharges. Supercharging that range should only take 15 minutes

Maybe the range extender bolts in place of the skidplate/bottom lid? Maybe they showed us the bed mounted range extender as a diversion. Making the Cybertruck battery pack modularly updateable, would be pretty awesome. A full double stack would only add 3 inches.

No.

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