Battery upgrade down the road?

[HansonCT]

So I'm new to ev's, currently own a Ford cmax plug-in. Like everyone else I check out articles about new batteries that charge quicker and have longer range, like solid state as an example. Never owning a Tesla until I get my CT, is it possible to go from one type to another? I can understand adding current batteries with a larger pack, but what about going from on type to another? I assume no because of the computer that run and controls everything.

Another way to ask could be if I owned an older model Y and wanted to replace my thin batter pack with the new battery pack that's also being used in the CT, is that possible?

Just thinking of options after time and there's something new coming along more often as electric vehicles become more common on the road.

Best Regards
Hanson CT

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[HansonCT]

Had a feeling that was the case, but didn't know who to ask because it's all new to me.
Appreciate your quick answer
Thank you

 

[CyberTW]

Had a feeling that was the case, but didn't know who to ask because it's all new to me.
Appreciate your quick answer
Thank you

Welcome! EVs (esp Teslas) are game changers

 

[HansonCT]

Seen just this morning as far as new batteries and reason for question.
https://www.vehiclesuggest.com/tesla-cars-verge-of-achieving-250-miles-in-10-minutes-supercharging/

 

[MonkeyDeLuffy]

Long answer is you can do it yourself or send it to Munro Assoc.

 

[CyberGus]

Seen just this morning as far as new batteries and reason for question.
https://www.vehiclesuggest.com/tesla-cars-verge-of-achieving-250-miles-in-10-minutes-supercharging/

A battery swap from Tesla starts at around $10k, and they keep the old battery.

You can swap your V6 for a V8, too, but it's rarely cost-effective. You're better off buying the new model and sending your current vehicle to a good home.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

So I'm new to ev's, currently own a Ford cmax plug-in. Like everyone else I check out articles about new batteries that charge quicker and have longer range, like solid state as an example. Never owning a Tesla until I get my CT, is it possible to go from one type to another? I can understand adding current batteries with a larger pack, but what about going from on type to another? I assume no because of the computer that run and controls everything.
Another way to ask could be if I owned an older model Y and wanted to replace my thin batter pack with the new battery pack that's also being used in the CT, is that possible?
Just thinking of options after time and there's something new coming along more often as electric vehicles become more common on the road.

Best Regards
Hanson CT

The short answer is really "no one here knows" and, possibly, "no one anywhere knows".

One thing is certain, and that is that if it were to become possible it would be an expensive operation, labor wise. The way the structural pack works, they would have to 'undo' everything holding the pack in and then drop it out. The pack includes all of the seating. Just think of the label involved. It may be possible, if the size is the same, the internal voltage is the same, and the wiring harness is the same.

If I were you I would count on (hope) that the battery pack lasts a 'long' time without needing to be replaced. Every generation gets better. If they pass 1M miles and even if you drove 50K miles per year the lifetime would be 20 years.

 

[JBee]

It's highly likely with the CT that your battery pack will out survive the rest of the vehicle, possibly even you depending on how many miles you drive.

1 million mile battery is 71 years at the US yearly average miles of 14,000miles. Most people don't actively drive that long, so I wouldn't worry about it much, unless you plan on keeping the CT for over 30 years and drive 33,000miles a year...and even there wouldn't it be time to get a new model?

As for battery swapping, it's possible with the right engineering firm, and you'd have to replace it with a pack that is configured properly for the rest of the EV. It not particularly hard, but it is labour and cost intensive, so probably easier to buy new and recycle the old one.

 

[LDRHAWKE]

I would guess every year you will see incremental battery life and energy density improved. If you think about it, it isn’t worth worrying about for normal drivers. It would be difficult for to justify the expense to upgrade.

Picture the battery as a 20 gal fuel tank.
After about 200,000 miles the battery will only hold 18 gal. of fuel. Everything else still works the same.

At 350,000 to 400,000 miles you may want to replace the battery because it only holds 12 gal of fuel. Everything still works.This all proven data now.

The battery simply reduces in capacity about 10% every 100,000 miles. It does stop working.
I image we will see improvements where it is only about %5 per 100,000 miles. Still not cost justifying to replace the existing battery unless you need the range for long hauling in a business.

Tesla warranties the batteries for eight years. The battery is expensive, probably $12,000 to 15,000, after 400,000 miles.

How many replacement ICE and transmissions would have rebuilt or replaced in 400,000 miles and what is the maintenance cost?

One thing is for sure…..my Cyber Truck will out live me.

 

[HaulingAss]

So I'm new to ev's, currently own a Ford cmax plug-in. Like everyone else I check out articles about new batteries that charge quicker and have longer range, like solid state as an example. Never owning a Tesla until I get my CT, is it possible to go from one type to another? I can understand adding current batteries with a larger pack, but what about going from on type to another? I assume no because of the computer that run and controls everything.
Another way to ask could be if I owned an older model Y and wanted to replace my thin batter pack with the new battery pack that's also being used in the CT, is that possible?
Just thinking of options after time and there's something new coming along more often as electric vehicles become more common on the road.

Best Regards
Hanson CT

No doubt, battery advancements will continue, far into the future. But even the batteries from 2018 are already awesome. In just 12 minutes of Supercharging, I can add 180-200 miles of range, or about 3 hours of driving, to my 2018 Model 3.

Unless you have dreams of winning the Cannonball Run, and have a catheter, you are probably going to want to stop for at least 10 minutes every 3 hours or so. I wouldn't replace the batteries in any of my 5+ year old Tesla because they still work great and can blow away most "performance" gas cars with V8's and/or turbos. Remember, that unless your life revolves around long trips, almost all your charging will happen seamlessly, while you sleep. Even on long trips I stay in the growing number of hotels that have Tesla destination chargers and starting each new day with a full charge really reduces the amount of Supercharging needed to a minmum.

The media loves to over-emphasize the time spent charging as if it's a real problem, or as if you're going to be waiting for an hour or more just to get back on the road. The reality of how little time you spend charging (compared to your usual weekly gas fillups) is a pleasant surprise to most new Tesla owners because they have been led to believe that charging is much slower than it really is and they often fail to mention that over 90% of all charging happens while you sleep.

 

[HansonCT]

True, most driving is on the weekends from Mass to RI and back. About 1 hr each way and driving around once there. Longest I drive is from Mass to northern NJ. That can take about 4 to 5 hrs because Conn main highways like 95 are still 2 lanes and traffic comes to a complete stop because everyone has to take a picture of car stopped on the side of the road.. worse part of that commute. There are places to stop and charge up. My original reservation was for the dual motor because at that time it was all I could afford. I've saved almost enough to buy it without a loan. Like everyone else, itching to see the CT on the road and in my driveway. Specs and range aren't officially posted and was thinking down the road and what if this or that.
Appreciate your time putting your reply together for me.

Thanks again

 

[PilotPete]

True, most driving is on the weekends from Mass to RI and back. About 1 hr each way and driving around once there. Longest I drive is from Mass to northern NJ. That can take about 4 to 5 hrs because Conn main highways like 95 are still 2 lanes and traffic comes to a complete stop because everyone has to take a picture of car stopped on the side of the road.. worse part of that commute. There are places to stop and charge up. My original reservation was for the dual motor because at that time it was all I could afford. I've saved almost enough to buy it without a loan. Like everyone else, itching to see the CT on the road and in my driveway. Specs and range aren't officially posted and was thinking down the road and what if this or that.
Appreciate your time putting your reply together for me.

Thanks again

Lots of people are frozen waiting for “the next big breakthrough”. The problem is, this is technology. It’s in an ever changing state. If you have this fear, just get 2 or 3 year leases. Then you get the new battery/motor/interior/whatever and in betweeen you get all the software updates automatically!

 

[HansonCT]

It's my last toy, my wife's health is becoming an issue and I'm in my early 60's. So this will be my last new toy. About 2 or 3 days ago someone posted a pdf that shows reservation numbers. Did a search and didn't see mine. It's close to 2 yrs, did log into my Tesla account and confirmed my reservation and number. Even though I'm in Massachusetts, a co-worker lives just down the road from the factory. Good chance he'll get his 1st, but already knows to expect a knock on his door once I know he has his lol, also a dual motor model.

 

[JBee]

I would guess every year you will see incremental battery life and energy density improved. If you think about it, it isn’t worth worrying about for normal drivers. It would be difficult for to justify the expense to upgrade.

Picture the battery as a 20 gal fuel tank.
After about 200,000 miles the battery will only hold 18 gal. of fuel. Everything else still works the same.

At 350,000 to 400,000 miles you may want to replace the battery because it only holds 12 gal of fuel. Everything still works.This all proven data now.

The battery simply reduces in capacity about 10% every 100,000 miles. It does stop working.
I image we will see improvements where it is only about %5 per 100,000 miles. Still not cost justifying to replace the existing battery unless you need the range for long hauling in a business.

Tesla warranties the batteries for eight years. The battery is expensive, probably $12,000 to 15,000, after 400,000 miles.

How many replacement ICE and transmissions would have rebuilt or replaced in 400,000 miles and what is the maintenance cost?

One thing is for sure…..my Cyber Truck will out live me.

I think your rate of degradation needs to be corrected upwards, it's not 10% per 100k miles. The primary cause for premature cell degradation is depth of discharge, and high states of charge when stored. If you use the middle portion of the pack you get 2-3x the cycles. M3/MY already come with Lifepo4 packs, that do over 3000 full cycles, that's over 1 million miles in itself and gets you 20% loss.

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