Beast better than AWD, change my mind

[Bartman]

Remember when I was in high school, in the early 80's, people talked about the Porsche 911 Turbo, that did 0-60 on 5.0 Seconds, as well as the 944 Turbo that did it in 6.0 Seconds. Either one of those was the dream! I thought my very early M3 long range, which did 0-60 in about 5 seconds was plenty fast. But when I ordered our next Tesla, a Model Y, I picked the Performance Version because I had FOMO of the better acceleration. I also justified spending the extra dough because it came with better brakes (and red), a nice spoiler and more expensive wheels.... But after getting it and realizing the range was not as expected, I sold the heavy wheels on eBay and got some 19" Martian wheels and tires for better mileage, but then didn't really notice a big difference. I've only floored the car, and did 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, once. When I did that, our doggie stroller flew backwards and slammed in to the back of the hatchback door, made a loud thud and I thought, if I do that again I need to take out the dog stroller first..... but I never did it again.

Here's my pitch.... if I had a chance to do it over again, I would have picked the AWD LR MY instead. I would rather have the extra miles and the acceleration is plenty good, for me. For the CB, It's a truck, not a Porsche! You are probably not going to be taking it to the track.... and yes, you can go fast, but you won't be able to stop fast and turn fast (in the big picture), like in a M3P, or a Porsche 911. To me (and this is just me, so please don't take any offense), I think the the added acceleration the CB provides is nothing more than a novelty, that wears off very quickly. I'm not going to give in to FOMO this time and I hope to save 20K and hopefully get the additional $7.5K rebate, for a total of $27.5K savings, simply for doing without, for me, a novelty party trick. If it was a sports car, I might feel different, but it's just a truck. 4.25 seconds is plenty fast for a truck and I really would rather have the better mileage and extra dough in my bank or retirement account. But that's just me and everybody else should feel free to do whatever they want to do.

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[cvalue13]

YOLO.. I always LOOK at resale value regardless of even thinking about reselling it now. How many CB FS will there be?

this really the only possible metric upon which the Beast can be seen as possibly “better”, aside from speed, and bragging-right/exclusivity feelings

even then, one really needs to come up with an agreed definition of “better” all-in


I just don’t think there is an argument that the Beast is better, all-in, on any definition that heavily weights the value proposition.

Meanwhile, I think anyone heavily weighting the resale/depreciation value of a FS is playing a volatile game - only takes a couple of improvements to the truck plus price adjustments downward before the FS (AWD or Beast) are underwater

 

[Bartman]

this really the only possible metric upon which the Beast can be seen as possibly “better”, aside from speed, and bragging-right/exclusivity feelings

even then, one really needs to come up with an agreed definition of “better” all-in


I just don’t think there is an argument that the Beast is better, all-in, on any definition that heavily weights the value proposition.

Meanwhile, I think anyone heavily weighting the resale/depreciation value of a FS is playing a volatile game - only takes a couple of improvements to the truck plus price adjustments downward before the FS (AWD or Beast) are underwater

Agree 100%

 

[Demonvial]

this really the only possible metric upon which the Beast can be seen as possibly “better”, aside from speed, and bragging-right/exclusivity feelings

even then, one really needs to come up with an agreed definition of “better” all-in


I just don’t think there is an argument that the Beast is better, all-in, on any definition that heavily weights the value proposition.

Meanwhile, I think anyone heavily weighting the resale/depreciation value of a FS is playing a volatile game - only takes a couple of improvements to the truck plus price adjustments downward before the FS (AWD or Beast) are underwater

Personally, I’m getting the beast so I can flex my Alcantara steering wheel grip on the poors. The +50% acceleration is just a bonus.

 

[cvalue13]

Personally, I’m getting the beast so I can flex my Alcantara steering wheel grip on the poors. The +50% acceleration is just a bonus.

this is the way

 

[Cyber Man]

So if someone doesn’t buy the CB they don’t care about their driving experience? ? Humor me for a second. Just because you’ve been using crack for years and can tolerate a lot more, doesn’t mean those who haven’t won’t enjoy their smaller rock lol. Everything is relative. Some people actually can and do enjoy the driving experience without needing to go .6 seconds faster. I love driving my M3 and MY neither of which are performance models. For those that can tell the difference, I’m glad there’s the CB option but it doesn’t mean the rest of us are missing out on something. Again, it’s all relative.

LOL, chill out. I didn't mean to say if you don't care about driving experience, then go with CT. I meant to say if you care about "this (referring to fast acceleration) driving experience", then 20K is justified as you have to shell out 200K for the same type of experience. Often folks say the launch experience will wear off after few times or it's a truck, why the hell we need sport car acceleration. I'm merely pointing out that there are people who care because they have been using crack for years, and wouldn't mind extra 20K instead of spending 200K+ on their dream car. CT might be more than enough for most. Other than acceleration, there are 101 things that makes driving experience great, and CT has many of these things. If you like fast acceleration driving experience, then the additional 20K is justified, IMO. There is no one size fit all, as you said, and whoever I have seen enjoying the big rock has not gone back to small rock, lol, unless they hurt themselves for playing stupid.

BTW, it's not 0.6 seconds faster, it's 60% faster. Honestly, I shouldn't comment more without actually driving CB/CT. I'm just going with the published numbers and what others have shared online. I wish Tesla gave an option to test drive both before people could make up their mind.

 

[TeslaFANa]

I debated for one month what I would do if I got the email and I finally got it 3 days ago. I went with the cyberbeast, my thought process is the following; 1. I have the money, 2. 20 miles of range doesn't make that much of a difference to me. I do take long trips with the family and ideally I'd like 400 plus miles of range so I ordered a range extender (who knows if it's real). I'm concerned how the range extender will affect performance. I'm no physicist but I could assume the 0 to 60 time could take a one second hit after adding the range extender so The AWD becomes a regular truck while the cyber beast may keep a bit better performance profile. Sounds kinda dumb as I type it LOL, let me know what y'all think

 

[Bsimmer3000]

I don’t think people under stand how hard it to take a vehicle from a 4second 0-60 to a 3 second 0-60. It’s easy going from a 6 second to a 5 second 0-60 in comparison. 3.0 seconds was only in the realm of hyper cars and rally cars and now it’s in almost 7000lb trucks. They’re a large premium involved there and either it’s worth it to you or it’s not. If you cone from faster vehicles then it’s likely a worthwhile purchase but if you are coming from a typical truck to a AWD it will feel like a rocket ship. I would like to see a side by side of a beast running next to a AWD. I’m thinking it will be similar to the raptor R side by side run but who knows. The AWD might end up faster with most typical drivers.

 

[TeslaFANa]

With all these real world range reports of 200 miles with at-best highway range of 250 and at-best city range of 270. It seems like the range extender will be a necessity just to get back above 300 mile range. I hope it's real and hopefully available when i take delivery "late 2024"?

 

[Bsimmer3000]

With all these real world range reports of 200 miles with at-best highway range of 250 and at-best city range of 270. It seems like the range extender will be a necessity just to get back above 300 mile range. I hope it's real and hopefully available when i take delivery "late 2024"?

I’m waiting to see how this pans out. I don’t know a lot about how they calculate range on EV’s as I don’t own one. CT would be my first but it was kind of a shock waiting 4 years and the range being 320miles and now real world tests are showing 200 on the highway that’s big problem. 320 miles would have gotten me to most places I would go with no charging. 200 is shocking and I’m hoping there’s something going on here that can be fixed with a software update. I tow a trailer too and based on what other trucks like the Ford get I’m guessing I might see around 60-80miles on a charge. If that’s the case it don’t matter if it’s got a 0-60 in 0.1seconds as that range is pretty much useless for anyone towing. Hopefully the tow rate numbers are released soon when someone tests it.

 

[TeslaFANa]

I’m waiting to see how this pans out. I don’t know a lot about how they calculate range on EV’s as I don’t own one. CT would be my first but it was kind of a shock waiting 4 years and the range being 320miles and now real world tests are showing 200 on the highway that’s big problem. 320 miles would have gotten me to most places I would go with no charging. 200 is shocking and I’m hoping there’s something going on here that can be fixed with a software update. I tow a trailer too and based on what other trucks like the Ford get I’m guessing I might see around 60-80miles on a charge. If that’s the case it don’t matter if it’s got a 0-60 in 0.1seconds as that range is pretty much useless for anyone towing. Hopefully the tow rate numbers are released soon when someone tests it.

To give you more insight, I own a 2018 model S, when I first got it my range was nowhere near as advertised because of the acceleration addiction, after a while it wears off and you start driving normally which probably gave me 80% of the advertised range. However, I have gotten 100% advertised range during trips, a little over 100 if you travel between 60 and 65 miles an hour. My car is almost 6 years old and I still get a little over 90% advertised range on trips. Of course, during winter time even in South Carolina, my range takes a 20 to 30% hit, so I don't expect a lot of these real world tests to be accurate at this point. However, when I do get 100% advertised range, it is during optimal conditions meaning warm weather, no rain, relatively flat terrain. But I don't change how I use air conditioning, audio, etc.

Yes, it is very early on and range could be improved with software updates, we also don't know how much of the battery Tesla is placing on reserve at this point, it usually ranges between 2 and 5%.

There is a post on the forum with all the real world range tests which all seem reasonable in the way they were executed. There's also a thread on towing, that one is a single test with 6,000 lb and it yielded 115 mi using 97% of the battery, 87 mi using 75% of the battery. So pretty close to your estimate.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...0lb-tesla-and-trailer-load.11420/#post-228272

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...ny-real-world-tests.10983/page-39#post-228347

 

[PilotPete]

Full disclosure: I'm not a truck guy. But, I do understand a little about physics.

0-60 in 2.6 seconds is an experience. And if you want that experience, the buy the CB. The reason it is able to do 2.6s is because of the power the CB has. And that power is always there. So let's say you have an 11,000# trailer, and your whole family on board, and your range extender, and whatever else. And you're headed up the grapevine or cajon pass (for those unfamiliar, long uphill hauls leaving Los Angeles). You CAN'T do 2.6s with all that stuff. But you CAN pull over into the left lane and pass someone. You can maintain 65mph uphill with all that stuff. You can avoid putting on your flashers and backing up traffic in the right lane. You can run the A/C in July without fear of overheating. And all those guys that get crazy with their off-road trucks, you think they don't have some respectable 0-60 times for a truck? Why do they have all that power? Because sometimes it comes in handy. There are a myriad of reasons OTHER THAN 0-60 times to have all that power.

If you don't have a use for it, and don't see the need for the experience, then I strongly suggest you don't buy it! But some of us do, and that is okay. But to say that it is "stupid" or "useless" or that Tesla was wrong to make that model and they should only focus on what is important to you, well, that's a bit presumptuous, myopic, and pompous. If everybody was just like you, how boring would life be?

 

[Jabman]

Full disclosure: I'm not a truck guy. But, I do understand a little about physics.

0-60 in 2.6 seconds is an experience. And if you want that experience, the buy the CB. The reason it is able to do 2.6s is because of the power the CB has. And that power is always there. So let's say you have an 11,000# trailer, and your whole family on board, and your range extender, and whatever else. And you're headed up the grapevine or cajon pass (for those unfamiliar, long uphill hauls leaving Los Angeles). You CAN'T do 2.6s with all that stuff. But you CAN pull over into the left lane and pass someone. You can maintain 65mph uphill with all that stuff. You can avoid putting on your flashers and backing up traffic in the right lane. You can run the A/C in July without fear of overheating. And all those guys that get crazy with their off-road trucks, you think they don't have some respectable 0-60 times for a truck? Why do they have all that power? Because sometimes it comes in handy. There are a myriad of reasons OTHER THAN 0-60 times to have all that power.

If you don't have a use for it, and don't see the need for the experience, then I strongly suggest you don't buy it! But some of us do, and that is okay. But to say that it is "stupid" or "useless" or that Tesla was wrong to make that model and they should only focus on what is important to you, well, that's a bit presumptuous, myopic, and pompous. If everybody was just like you, how boring would life be?

I like your view on this. The “bigger picture” is that it’s not just a drag strip monster. It’s a MONSTER period. Makes a strong case for the premium actually

 

[TeslaFANa]

Full disclosure: I'm not a truck guy. But, I do understand a little about physics.

0-60 in 2.6 seconds is an experience. And if you want that experience, the buy the CB. The reason it is able to do 2.6s is because of the power the CB has. And that power is always there. So let's say you have an 11,000# trailer, and your whole family on board, and your range extender, and whatever else. And you're headed up the grapevine or cajon pass (for those unfamiliar, long uphill hauls leaving Los Angeles). You CAN'T do 2.6s with all that stuff. But you CAN pull over into the left lane and pass someone. You can maintain 65mph uphill with all that stuff. You can avoid putting on your flashers and backing up traffic in the right lane. You can run the A/C in July without fear of overheating. And all those guys that get crazy with their off-road trucks, you think they don't have some respectable 0-60 times for a truck? Why do they have all that power? Because sometimes it comes in handy. There are a myriad of reasons OTHER THAN 0-60 times to have all that power.

If you don't have a use for it, and don't see the need for the experience, then I strongly suggest you don't buy it! But some of us do, and that is okay. But to say that it is "stupid" or "useless" or that Tesla was wrong to make that model and they should only focus on what is important to you, well, that's a bit presumptuous, myopic, and pompous. If everybody was just like you, how boring would life be?

All this is so true, my model s was in the shop for a couple of months because I was rear-ended and the rental company gave me a a Chevy SUV. The instant torque isn't just exciting, it is very convenient and I felt that at times my driving style became even dangerous with the Chevy SUV due to the lack of instant response. Situations like switching lanes in the highway, passing, a car, etc. Etc. Became burdensome. I found myself violently hitting the brakes because I realized halfway through that I didn't have the power or instant response that I usually got from my model. S.

 

[Bsimmer3000]

To give you more insight, I own a 2018 model S, when I first got it my range was nowhere near as advertised because of the acceleration addiction, after a while it wears off and you start driving normally which probably gave me 80% of the advertised range. However, I have gotten 100% advertised range during trips, a little over 100 if you travel between 60 and 65 miles an hour. My car is almost 6 years old and I still get a little over 90% advertised range on trips. Of course, during winter time even in South Carolina, my range takes a 20 to 30% hit, so I don't expect a lot of these real world tests to be accurate at this point. However, when I do get 100% advertised range, it is during optimal conditions meaning warm weather, no rain, relatively flat terrain. But I don't change how I use air conditioning, audio, etc.

Yes, it is very early on and range could be improved with software updates, we also don't know how much of the battery Tesla is placing on reserve at this point, it usually ranges between 2 and 5%.

There is a post on the forum with all the real world range tests which all seem reasonable in the way they were executed. There's also a thread on towing, that one is a single test with 6,000 lb and it yielded 115 mi using 97% of the battery, 87 mi using 75% of the battery. So pretty close to your estimate.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...0lb-tesla-and-trailer-load.11420/#post-228272

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...ny-real-world-tests.10983/page-39#post-228347

I see the the trailer tow test right after I made that post above and it’s not looking good. My trailer is pretty call at 7000lb but it’s inclosed so it’s much less aerodynamic. My estimates now look at 40-50miles at best. That range wouldn’t even get me to the 2 nearest towns and back without stopping to charge for an hour. Even 100miles would have been usable for me but at 40-50 it’s likely a no go. I have at least 6 months to get more info on this though before it shows up.

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