Brand New Model S Plaid burst into flames

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Suggestions is to watch segment on 5 July Now You Know with Zac and Jesse. The goggle earth shots show a neighboring property grass area around a street corner lined with large low level rocks. So easy to imagine what happens when the path of rocks make contact with the unlining carriage at any speed. California Stops are not unique to only California.
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The level of that response doesn’t deserve even this response.
I said I don't think Tesla should be held accountable if it isn't shown that Tesla delivered a faulty vehicle. Then you come out with information of how many car fires there was in a year and how much property damage there was. How does that relate to manufacturer liability?

Yes it's possible it was teslas fault, it's also possible it was the owners fault, it's also possible it was an external factor. This is exactly what insurance if for. The insurance company should be the one that investigates and if they can prove it was Teslas fault, the insurance company can arrange for Tesla to pay for it. If Tesla isn't found at fault, the insurance company pays the owner for the totaled vehicle.

To even hint that Tesla should replace the car because it caught fire due to an unknown reason is a terrible idea unless you can give an actual reason why the manufacturer was a fault.
 

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My concern with the fire is not as much statistic although 1 out of 25 sounds mighty high to me.
or whether the driver did something wrong although I don’t think I am that special and whatever he did, there is a good chance, I could do it as well unless he took a flame thrower to the car.

My concern is are we so seduced by fast innovation and new tech that we are willing to pretend there is no cost to it? I do not own Tesla stock or ever personally had a problem with a Tesla vehicle so I have no reason to be biased one way or another. I want EVs to take over but I believe 50 years down the road we will look at today’s energy source for our electric motors and will not believe how inefficient and unsafe they were. I believe I will still buy a CT even if one of the first 25 caught on fire but I don’t dismiss the possibility that something can be improved between this S fire and next CT fire.

Edit: The dude‘s lawyer said his was 1 of 250 shipped.
 
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My concern with the fire is not as much statistic although 1 out of 25 sounds mighty high to me.
or whether the driver did something wrong although I don’t think I am that special and whatever he did, there is a good chance, I could do it as well unless he took a flame thrower to the car.

My concern is are we so seduced by fast innovation and new tech that we are willing to pretend there is no cost to it? I do not own Tesla stock or ever personally had a problem with a Tesla vehicle so I have no reason to be biased one way or another. I wan’t EVs to take over but I believe 50 years down the road we will look at Todd’s energy source for our electric motors and will not believe how inefficient and unsafe they were. I believe I will still buy a CT even if one of the first 25 caught on fire but I don’t dismiss the possibility that something can be improved between this S fire and next CT fire.
NEXT CT FIRE….?…I missed the first one.
 

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NEXT CT FIRE….?…I missed the first one.
You must have changed your email address. People have been picking up their CTs since new year. A month or so after Elon’s announcement. ;)
 

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My concern with the fire is not as much statistic although 1 out of 25 sounds mighty high to me.
or whether the driver did something wrong although I don’t think I am that special and whatever he did, there is a good chance, I could do it as well unless he took a flame thrower to the car.

My concern is are we so seduced by fast innovation and new tech that we are willing to pretend there is no cost to it? I do not own Tesla stock or ever personally had a problem with a Tesla vehicle so I have no reason to be biased one way or another. I want EVs to take over but I believe 50 years down the road we will look at today’s energy source for our electric motors and will not believe how inefficient and unsafe they were. I believe I will still buy a CT even if one of the first 25 caught on fire but I don’t dismiss the possibility that something can be improved between this S fire and next CT fire.

Edit: The dude‘s lawyer said his was 1 of 250 shipped.
Just to balance the scales…

ICE catch fire. Pintos exploded. Worst early pickups had gastank mounted directly behind driver inside the cab. A known local father was rear ended. Box crushed the gas tank, pinned the driver door shut and driver trapped against steer wheel. Tank started afire. The driver reached in his pant, threw wallet out to onlookers as they watched flames engulf the truck.
 

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Just to balance the scales…

ICE catch fire. Pintos exploded. Worst early pickups had gastank mounted directly behind driver inside the cab. A known local father was rear ended. Box crushed the gas tank, pinned the driver door shut and driver trapped against steer wheel. Tank started afire. The driver reached in his pant, threw wallet out to onlookers as they watched flames engulf the truck.
My point was not that driving down the highway on flammable liquid is less dangerous than doing it on flammable batteries. No comparison was made between ICE and BEV. If there is any two things to compare in this regard in my mind is a relatively safe BEV today and a much safer BEV tomorrow.

I see folks get very protective of BEVs and Tesla in particular to the point that even scientifically minded naturally curious folks refuse to consider the possibility that fire could have happened because of a design flaw or something that can be improved. I definitely don’t want competition to use these incidents to take Tesla down (I want my CT). I just want a safer CT if possible.

I have no clue what caused this fire. It very well could be a fraud case, someone trying to milk Tesla with a made up law suit but if it is ligit, it is in our benefit if the facts are used to improve safety.

Everything has been pushed to it’s limits on S Plaid. This is all speculation: If packing more energy in smaller size battery pack and saving weight by less protective cover on the pack makes it more likely to be damaged and fail when hit by a speed bump, I want my CT less efficient but more safe (Even with 16” of clearance). I don’t want to go down a technical rabbit hole far beyond my knowledge and understanding but you get my drift. Finding out what happened is good for us.
 

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If there is any two things to compare in this regard in my mind is a relatively safe BEV today and a much safer BEV tomorrow.
Agreed

Sitting atop 400v batteries is avant-guard BEV design. It is pinnacle engineering best practice to put wet meat atop 100kW energy density. That’s driven safety forward. Proof in Engineering Safety that the driver survived. That a Tesla battery fire is survivable is takeaway #1

I am in agreement that a Plaid fire could just as easily happened to any one of the 250 deliveries. That it occurred immediately points to electrical in Tesla equipment. But driver inflicted damage isn’t ruled out.

Whatever the fire investigation in the Plaid meltdown, Love to be a fly on that wall…so we wait for the second shoe.
 

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I wonder if it is just coincidence that the Plaid owner also heads up a multi-billion crypto coin company that Musk has shorted…..just wondering.
 

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As far as I know, Musk owns no short options in any company, and no options to any company but Tesla.

Nor that he's ever said anything about that specific company.

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Agreed

Sitting atop 400v batteries is avant-guard BEV design. It is pinnacle engineering best practice to put wet meat atop 100kW energy density. That’s driven safety forward. Proof in Engineering Safety that the driver survived. That a Tesla battery fire is survivable is takeaway #1

I am in agreement that a Plaid fire could just as easily happened to any one of the 250 deliveries. That it occurred immediately points to electrical in Tesla equipment. But driver inflicted damage isn’t ruled out.

Whatever the fire investigation in the Plaid meltdown, Love to be a fly on that wall…so we wait for the second shoe.
Battery energy content that can't be released as fast as gasoline fuel: 100kWh = 360MJ
Gasoline fuel in a 15gallon tank that can explosively combust = 1020MJ

Take your pick which one you want to sit on to get somewhere.
 

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Plaid burning, crappy questions, whatever...I'm waaaay more interested in
I will say that it might have had something to do with the fact that all of our trucks were modified diesel trucks that we ran on jet fuel to save money, but i'm pretty sure that it was just ICE vehicles catching on fire randomly.
How did you modify it? A/A-1? Did the fire chief knowingly sign off on this? So many questions
 

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I only ever asked once and they told me they changed the compression. it was Jet A-1, and I have no idea if anyone signed off on it but they had been doing it for decades
 
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