Sorry, not sure what this means. But I hope you enjoy to continue making excuses for Tesla and the Cybertruck's outdated and poor (by today's standards) charging performance.
There's a reason why Tesla has the lowest battery warranty claims rate. If you're thinking a simple charge curve can possibly be classified as "outdated tech" that tells me where you're at haha. Its a charge curve lol.
It's totally okay if you don't understand the engineering behind a charge curve, man. Between your Model Y and Cybertruck, you definitely know those long wait times well though! If you're happy waiting 40 minutes at the plug, that's all that matters. Safe travels out there!
I just did 1600 miles. Sometimes it seemed better than the others, but on average the charging was quite pathetic.
Battery health is a factor when charging say at 3C, but what I am saying is that on average CT doesn't even charge at 1C.
That's the standard wisdom in this context, but I'm saying that from the observation it's significantly worse both under 80% SoC and also in totality.Try disabling "Make Fewer Stops" in the navigation.
Here is a quote from Elon when talking to Joe Rogan, that will help visualize why charging is quicker in the lower half of the battery.
The more you charge, the longer it takes
“For a gasoline car, you would fill it up,” Musk said during a recent episode of “The Joe Rogan Experience” podcast. “For a battery, the charge state tapers off as you get above 80%.”
“I think the right analogy here is cars in a parking lot,” he continued. “The lithium ions are trying to find a parking space as they move across from one side of the battery to the other side.”
A battery at low charge is akin to an empty parking lot, Musk said — the ions can "zip right in there and find a spot.” But as the battery gets closer to full, it becomes more like a busy mall’s parking lot, where the available spots are scarce. In that situation, the ions "have to bounce around more" to find their places.
“Getting from 80 to 100 (percent) takes about as much time as getting from 0 to 80,” Musk told Rogan.
The purpose of the curve is to exceed 1C rate on average. My whole point is that the current curve averages out to below 1C.
Always precondition. But I see your point. And others. I think I’m just growing impatient of waiting for this part. It’s been 5 weeks now, sitting at superchargers..
Unfortunately this was one of the big letdowns with the CT
Imagine a world without hypothetical situations
Note how it went below 120kW before even reaching ~60% SoC. CT battery is 123kWh, which means 1C charging rate (safe, sustainable charging rate for all Lithium Ion batteries) isn't ever maintained, and this charging curve overall would have resulted in sub 1C charging in the end.A few people here mentioned like 40 minutes to go from 10-80 or 25-80%. This is why, IMO, faster chargers (like ionna 400kW or Tesla 500kW) make a difference. It doesn‘t last long at the highest power level, but every minute you spend at say 360kW saves 3 minutes at the end when you’re at 120kW. Here’s a real charge curve at an Ionna station, starting at just under 400kW, and doing 10-76% in 28 mins.
Sounds like you're misunderstanding C-rates. Li batteries are designed to handle over 1C at low SoC that’s why they can pull 350–500 kW early on. But it's not sustainable to hold that output current rate as battery voltage increases. 1C sustained is aggressive for longevity, not a safe ceiling. Towards the end of the charge you would be forcing electrons into their "place" causing excess heat and degradation/dendrite growth. at the beginning of the charge cycle there is ample room for the electrons to move over to the other side of the battery. High power chargers are beneficial because they can really speed up the bulk phase. Charging current needs to taper down as voltage increases, that's why we call it a "curve". Your iPhone does this too.
Also please tell us about CC/CV, and what design considerations were put into the cells to "handle 1C at low SoC."
You sound new to EVs, based upon the number of misconceptions you hold.
No need to charge every 20 miles, but some parts of the country superchargers are 100+ miles apart, which is a real problem if towing a large load at highway speeds.
