CT - EMP Proofing - Thoughts / Advice?

[Woodrick]

GREAT advice and point taken - Thank you sir.
What a great idea (shipping container) -- I guess next question - will a cybertruck FIT into a shipping container making it easy to get in and out?
Obviously I'd have to wire it somehow to allow to charge inside - but that would present its own issues LOL.

Will keep digging....

Charge while inside? Heck no, that's adding an antenna to the package, the bane of EMP operations.

No, you aren't allowed to take it out. That would defeat the EMP protection.

• It's like "How to I make s computer secure?"
• Turn it off
• Unplug it
• Wrap it in a lead blanket
• Put it in a safe
• Put safe in underground bunker

Then the computer would just about be secure.

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[Woodrick]

Well, during the pulse you will have interference, but yeah, no real way to test exposure to that much radio energy without a massive testing facility or throwing it into the van allen belts.
-Crissa

Actually, I'm pretty sure that those test facilities are available.
Electromagnetic Pulse Testing - National Technical Systems (nts.com)

 

[Woodrick]

You could either buy a $10,000 Faraday Cage/Cover for your vehicle.

Or get something like this:

You know it's a serious product when their website looks like:

Doesn't even appear they offer protection insurance.

 

[Crissa]

Amen to this! This appears to be some sort of ground device, or a GFI like device.
Crissa, I have always gotten EE vibes from you.

It's where I started. Had a science instructor in highschool who was a ham instructor and did vocational courses in electronics and ham radio. He was a radar operator pre-WWII. (Yes, pre. Scary smart guy.) Super old guy who didn't survive my tenure in highschool, but was very interesting.

But I'd always been pretty interested in how things worked! I went to University for aerospace but ran out of funds and did computers instead. My spouse does that really well so I went into retail, and then have been doing volunteer work, so I'm super-rusty.

But the essentials are there ^-^

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that those test facilities are available.
Electromagnetic Pulse Testing - National Technical Systems (nts.com)

They exist, but they're super-expensive, and testing a full assembled vehicle is pretty much out of the question except in a couple facilities.

If you notice, they're mostly testing small things.

And it's really expensive. And just rotating the fields can give massively different results.

The spacecraft my spouse worked on had its boards separated and redundancies in 90º orientations and it still ended up having a path for excited particles to double-fault and shut down it down when it went through the South Atlantic Anomaly. They ended up using the errors to map the anomaly while depending upon magneto mechanical systems in the spacecraft to keep it oriented and then plotted a course where it would shut down, drift quiet through and then restart on the other side. And they were still able to map frame dragging several magnitudes more than they'd initially designed for.

What I'd just say is: Don't worry about it. You want to use these devices. And they'll be more resilient than you've been led to believe... But in an EMP some will die, some won't, and it'll look essentially random. It might just be an overblown worry.

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruck26]

It's where I started. Had a science instructor in highschool who was a ham instructor and did vocational courses in electronics and ham radio. He was a radar operator pre-WWII. (Yes, pre. Scary smart guy.) Super old guy who didn't survive my tenure in highschool, but was very interesting.

But I'd always been pretty interested in how things worked! I went to University for aerospace but ran out of funds and did computers instead. My spouse does that really well so I went into retail, and then have been doing volunteer work, so I'm super-rusty.

But the essentials are there ^-^

-Crissa

Well, I always look forward to your inputs. ?
I am actually in aerospace, myself, but started as a EE. I am always like, "Crissa knows a thing or two!"

 

[Woodrick]

They exist, but they're super-expensive, and testing a full assembled vehicle is pretty much out of the question except in a couple facilities.

If you notice, they're mostly testing small things.

And it's really expensive. And just rotating the fields can give massively different results.

The spacecraft my spouse worked on had its boards separated and redundancies in 90º orientations and it still ended up having a path for excited particles to double-fault and shut down it down when it went through the South Atlantic Anomaly. They ended up using the errors to map the anomaly while depending upon magneto mechanical systems in the spacecraft to keep it oriented and then plotted a course where it would shut down, drift quiet through and then restart on the other side. And they were still able to map frame dragging several magnitudes more than they'd initially designed for.

What I'd just say is: Don't worry about it. You want to use these devices. And they'll be more resilient than you've been led to believe... But in an EMP some will die, some won't, and it'll look essentially random. It might just be an overblown worry.

-Crissa

I love details like that.

 

[Crissa]

I always love it, too.

Scientists using a tool that wasn't designed to do something, to do something else? Awesome!

Did you know that with the Nova-C mission, the Odysseus's lidar refused to fire up in Lunar orbit, so they used the NASA mapping package that was there as a prototype to do the landing with? Like, someone had thought of that ahead of time and it just took an hour for them to swap things around in software to do the landing.

That's the thing, no matter how much we prepare for this stuff, it's going to matter how we can communicate and get fixes deployed more than any preparation as end users.

-Crissa

 

[Woodrick]

I always love it, too.

Scientists using a tool that wasn't designed to do something, to do something else? Awesome!

Did you know that with the Nova-C mission, the Odysseus's lidar refused to fire up in Lunar orbit, so they used the NASA mapping package that was there as a prototype to do the landing with? Like, someone had thought of that ahead of time and it just took an hour for them to swap things around in software to do the landing.

That's the thing, no matter how much we prepare for this stuff, it's going to matter how we can communicate and get fixes deployed more than any preparation as end users.

-Crissa

I saw that a few days ago.

The thing that still bewilders me a little, how we can successfully get landers on Mars, but not the moon. It seems that we assume that powered, controlled descents are the only way to land on the moon, but on Mars, we expect all sorts of issues, so we basically use bouncing ball packages that unfold and self-right.
Just because we got it right with Apollo doesn't mean we should get doing these types of descents.
I guess Mars allows parachutes, but still, tuck and roll is a common concept.

 

[Derektsla]

From doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/legacy/Documents/Pubs/320-090_elecpuls_fs.pdf

TLDR: Hard to shield things, but unlikely to affect you as non-nuclear military grade weapons (if they even exist yet) would likely be limited to a few square miles. My take: Move away from anything important and the nukes would kill you before EMP was an issue. If you did survive the nukes, everyone without a working vehicle would be trying to kill you to take yours.

WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PROTECT ELECTRONICS
There are two basic ways to protect or harden items against EMP effects. The first method is metallic shielding. Shields are made of a continuous piece of metal such as steel or copper. A metal enclosure generally does not fully shield the interior because of the small holes that are likely to exist. Therefore, this type of shielding often contains additional elements to create the barrier. Commonly, only a fraction of a millimeter of a metal is needed to supply adequate protection. This shield must completely surround the item to be hardened. The second method, tailored hardening, is a more cost-effective way of hardening. In this method, only the most vulnerable elements and circuits are redesigned to be more rugged. The more rugged elements will be able to withstand much higher currents. This method has shown unpredictable failures in testing, though it is thought it may be useful to make existing systems less vulnerable.

EMP AS A WEAPON The non-lethal nature of electromagnetic weapons makes their use far less politically damaging than that of conventional munitions, and therefore broadens the range of military options available. For weapons purposes EMP producing sources other than nuclear detonations have been successfully developed. Several nations, with United States at the forefront, are reported to have developed non-nuclear bombs capable of generating EMPs. Electromagnetic bombs (E-bombs) are specialized, non-nuclear tools designed to destroy information systems. These devices are primarily intended for battlefield application, and their effects would be restricted to a relatively small area. An EMP shock wave can be produced by a device small enough to fit in a briefcase. High Power Electromagnetic Pulse generation techniques and High Power Microwave technology have matured to the point where practical E-bombs are becoming technically feasible, with new applications in both Strategic and Tactical Information Warfare. Although much of this work is classified, it's believed that current efforts are based on using high-temperature superconductors to create intense magnetic fields. The development of conventional E-bomb devices allows their use in non-nuclear confrontations to defeat an enemy without causing loss of life. Regardless of the method of delivery, experts agree that EMPs can be powerful enough to cripple electronic wiring and circuitry over a geographic area as large as several square miles, posing a real threat to the nation's critical infrastructure. In addition, the Defense Department's reliance on satellites and commercial computer equipment to

 

[Crissa]

I saw that a few days ago.

The thing that still bewilders me a little, how we can successfully get landers on Mars, but not the moon. It seems that we assume that powered, controlled descents are the only way to land on the moon, but on Mars, we expect all sorts of issues, so we basically use bouncing ball packages that unfold and self-right.
Just because we got it right with Apollo doesn't mean we should get doing these types of descents.
I guess Mars allows parachutes, but still, tuck and roll is a common concept.

Oh, simple answer: Gravity and atmosphere. The Moon has very little of either. Which means stopping is much, much more difficult.

Your bouncing ball might bounce for ages on the Moon, but we can simulate how something will slow down in the Martian atmosphere.

-Crissa

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

I'm within a few weeks of getting my VIN !!

I have solar, powerwall, all the trappings of being off-the-grid.. but

I would LOVE to EMP-proof my CT (and the rest of my stuff) but not sure if
- Its possible
- How to do this.

Any "prepper" minded people have any serious advice on this or experience doing so while keeping it usable as a daily driver?

Few years back I literally almost bought an OLD Land Rover Defender that didnt have electronics in it - in case of the apocalypse.

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to have an EMP-proof Cybertruck.

Use this

 

[jerhenderson]

I'm within a few weeks of getting my VIN !!

I have solar, powerwall, all the trappings of being off-the-grid.. but

I would LOVE to EMP-proof my CT (and the rest of my stuff) but not sure if
- Its possible
- How to do this.

Any "prepper" minded people have any serious advice on this or experience doing so while keeping it usable as a daily driver?

Few years back I literally almost bought an OLD Land Rover Defender that didnt have electronics in it - in case of the apocalypse.

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to have an EMP-proof Cybertruck.

Military hardened gear can still get knocked out by an EMP..... it's just tougher.

 

[CyberJay]

It's where I started. Had a science instructor in highschool who was a ham instructor and did vocational courses in electronics and ham radio. He was a radar operator pre-WWII. (Yes, pre. Scary smart guy.) Super old guy who didn't survive my tenure in highschool, but was very interesting.

But I'd always been pretty interested in how things worked! I went to University for aerospace but ran out of funds and did computers instead. My spouse does that really well so I went into retail, and then have been doing volunteer work, so I'm super-rusty.

But the essentials are there ^-^

-Crissa

THANK YOU!!!

 

[CyberJay]

This in my inverter. https://www.sol-ark.com/sol-ark-15k-all-in-one/

The Sol-Ark 15k. Has an EMP option.

Personally I think one would be screwed driving around in anything traditionally electric. Think maybe early 60's pickup. Vacuum tube radios.

very cool - thanks!

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