Cyber vandalism still continues - Big Fish caught this time

[Black306]

Let's stop with the stereotypes and all this "Subaru drivers bad" or "Cybertruck drivers bad". We can get along.

Besides, we all know that BMW drivers are the worst

I don’t know. Corvette owners are pretty bad.

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[hemiarch]

Words don't "make" other people react, that's up to them. Different people will react differently (or not at all) to the same statement. You are not the arbiter of what someone "should" or "shouldn't" say. That's a very woke position.

Guess I’m “woke” then because that’s my position. That is not an insult or a negative descriptor of a position to me. Just another word that’s been weaponized by people I don’t agree with.
You’re 100% right, I’m nobody’s arbiter, there is genuine wisdom in that, but my impression of someone is most certainly influenced by how they choose to behave towards and what they choose to say to and about others in the world, not just me. It’s that impression which determines how I in turn choose to treat and react to those people.
I won’t play nice or turn a blind eye with people who kick dogs even though it’s not me being kicked.

 

[dalton108]

I don’t know. Corvette owners are pretty bad.

I feel attacked!!!!!

 

[Cybertruck2024]

A stereotype is a collection of observations. It doesn't mean all people in that group fit the stereotype, it's an observation of correlation. The problem happens when the stereotype is applied to an individual without any evidence that individual fits the stereotype. In this case, we can clearly see the Subaru driver fits the stereotype. Not perfectly though, as he is a male and thus can't be a lesbian.

The majority of people who have given me the middle finger are middle aged suburban white people. If I were to follow this correlation theory, then I am bad? I hate cybertrucks? Am I the reason for all the cybertruck hate? Is this the Twilight Zone?

 

[CallsignVega]

The majority of people who have given me the middle finger are middle aged suburban white people. If I were to follow this correlation theory, then I am bad? I hate cybertrucks? Am I the reason for all the cybertruck hate? Is this the Twilight Zone?

Shhh, you're not supposed to notice. Ironically; association and noticing patterns are one of the strongest capabilities of of the human brain.

 

[HaulingAss]

The majority of people who have given me the middle finger are middle aged suburban white people. If I were to follow this correlation theory, then I am bad?

Why do you think I said that?

What I actually said is that a stereotype is speaking to a perceived or observed correlation within an identified group , ie, Subaru drivers. It says nothing about an individual, it's an observation about an entire group. For example, that lawyers are wealthy. No all are, but there is a correlation. You have heard people say, "I'm a starving artist". That's a stereotype, even though some artists are incredibly wealthy. Stereotypes are a useful and natural tool humans have used for millennia to make better sense of the world they live in, it only becomes a problem when stereotypes are used to jump to unwarranted conclusions. For example, "that person is an artist so they must be poor". That's not a useful or valid way to use a stereotype. An artist may or may not be poor.

The new "political correctness" has taken language to an absurd level of what is "OK" and what is not "OK" to say. Now political correctness activists want us to say "birthing person" or "gestating parent" instead of "mother". It's absurd. A mother is a mother. And I love my dear departed mother. I'm sure she is rolling in her grave with the absurdity of the way people want to control what others say to mold it to their twisted ideology.

The one thing I agree with is that we are judged by those around us by what we say. But I am not a weak enough person to care what absurd people think of me. I know I am a good person who treats others fairly and with the respect they deserve and I don't let others dictate political correctness (beyond the extent that I may occasionally hold my tongue to achieve a greater good).

I encourage everyone to trust their own sense of right and wrong, and not "fall into line" simply because a group of brainwashed people tell you your ideals are unacceptable. What I find ironic is the very people who are telling us how to talk with "political correctness" are the same people that think we shouldn't prosecute people who commit crimes (or we should give them easy sentences) because they are good people who only committed the crime because they didn't get a fair shake in life. They have more tolerance for horrific actions than they do normal words, ideas and ideals that they happen to disagree with.

In America, the law was never intended to to regulate speech (with very limited practical exceptions), it limits actions. Now these absurd people have been using government power to regulate speech as was discovered when Elon purchased Twitter and got access to the "Twitter files" and uncovered the full extent of governments role in censoring ideas they didn't agree with. Controlling speech is a more dangerous threat to the success of humanity than many people understand and was a primary reason why Elon was willing to spend so much money to buy Twitter.

 

[CT_AZ_4x4]

One of my friends in my home town of Durango got vandalized by a known offender in our area... all caught on video. No less... a guy with a Subaru.



News item here:

https://www.durangoherald.com/artic...trials-allegedly-vandalized-tesla-cybertruck/

The vandal is notorious in my area for arson, stalking, etc. The video above even shows him with his ankle monitor on since he was on bail for stalking. He is well known in Colorado. Maybe this one will put him away.

Fight the Oligarchy (that does not exist except in my make-believe world where I am not responsible for the situation of my own making)!!!

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

The majority of people who have given me the middle finger are middle aged suburban white people. If I were to follow this correlation theory, then I am bad? I hate cybertrucks? Am I the reason for all the cybertruck hate? Is this the Twilight Zone?

Did you even read what he said?

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

Stereotypes exist because it's an unfortunate part of human intelligence. Your brain sees something and makes correlation to positive, negative, and non-harmful (common) experiences. Certain images invoke the "I have seen this before and it didn't end good". Others invoke "This was great!". Others are "I see this day in and day out, I won't even think about it".

I do agree in theory with what @hemiarch says, but in reality it doesn't exist. The brain, like AI (something I currently do for a living) takes its inputs in from many "features" (variables). Images, interactions, styles, colors, location, time, etc, etc. Your brain then has a split second to "bucket" the experience and make a determination based on probabilities of these inputs. Good or bad, we all do this to some extent. Will you put your hand in fire? Probably not because you have probably been burned before ("has orange flame, and feel heat - Don't get too close!"). If you are walking down the street late at night and you see a sketchy looking person with a spider web tattoo on the elbow (indicative of time in the can) or tear tattoos on the face (indicative that each tear drop represents someone they killed), do you walk on the other side of the street because there is a probability of the person may not have good motives? It's part of self preservation... good or bad.

I would love that we can just accept anything and everything for face value. But personally, the majority of my negative experiences in my CT have certainly been with folks in Subarus. When I go shopping and am looking for a place to park, I will usually try not to park next to a Subaru that has bumper stickers that say coexist and free Palestine. Is it because I want to treat the driver or passengers as people I do not like? No. It's because I don't want to take the probability higher chance that maybe something will happen to my vehicle based on those "features" of which I have had bad experiences before. So I would rather just choose a parking spot near vehicles that I have not had bad experiences on the road with. Does that make me a bad person? No. Am I doing what my brain tells me to do and attempt to avoid something that has harmed me before? Yes. I do the same thing with big diesel trucks. I own one. I love them. but when in my Cybertruck, I will avoid the old beat up big diesel that has clearly had a delete done to the exhaust because the probability of them trying to roll coal on me is higher than a say a F150 (because it really can't). So I get out of the lane and stay away. I don't roll coal on anyone with my F350, but when I see an EV stay away from me, I understand why and it doesn't offend me. I feel bad for the EV because other trucks have done that to them. Been there, done that.

Full circle, I think folks here have likely had more negative experiences with Subarus a bit more than others. It's certainly enjoyable to poke fun of them because many of us have had run-ins with them. We are all just bonding here. There is no racism going on. Like, minded people tend to huddle together and support each other. That's what we do. It's not just us. Being from Colorado and around a crap ton of Subarus, this has to be one of the funniest and yes, stereotypical view of the average Subaru owner in Colorado. It's pretty hilarious and just shows a lot of people poke fun of the Colorado/Subaru stereotype. I have to admit its pretty spot on:



Peace to all of you brothers and sisters. Let's not go political and have some fun. Remember, we are all humans and we can laugh about our experiences. Dont stop. Certainly not here.

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

They aren’t valid for me. They are everyone’s instinct including mine but ultimately they are prejudice and not ok. It actually takes active effort to avoid them.
I frequently treat people who look like bad guys and bad guys who look like good guys in my line of work and providing them the same consistent high quality care is what’s expected of me.
My first night at the county hospital I currently work at, I had a horrible situation that required help from the medical ICU doctor to intubate a patient while I was trying to deal with life threatening bleeding on a regular non-icu floor. Which is actually really hard. Basically, I had my hands too full to do it all. The guy who showed up to respond to my page must have had a dozen or more piercings and tattoos on his face.
You think my first reaction wasn’t, “what the fuck is this?”, of course it was. It was dead wrong though. He was incredibly helpful and cool as cucumber and we were able to save a life together because of it.
What I’m trying to say is that we all have these moments of weakness. It’s completely normal but if we’re able to get over that instinctive hump just like we get over other innate desires we don’t act on, it’s an accomplishment worth achieving.
Hate takes no energy. It sucks energy from everything and everyone in the room except you. Love or even just acceptance is actually really hard. It takes work.
My entirely apolitical point and you can choose to believe that or call what I’m saying bullshit because you want to disagree with me and think you know without knowing me what my posts say about my politics, is that this country cannot and will not get better without EVERYONE actually putting in the work to make it better. That includes me, it includes the Subaru driving blue hair wearing kid down the street and it also includes you.
You guys can take your first order approximations about Subaru drivers, women, people of color, immigrants, newscasters/reporters that don’t suit you, old people, young people, unhoused people, people who voted differently than you or whoever else and gradually further alienate yourselves from your communities with them, but it only serves to increase the prejudice experience of driving a Cybertruck. It makes things worse, not better.
Thanks for helping make it so my children have been flipped off in a Bluey themed Cybertruck with three car seats in the back.
Don’t want to be stereotyped, quit stereotyping. The world is what you make of it.

While this sounds great, the truth is... you're either blind or lying. You may treat bad guys that look like good guys and vice versa, but these are exceptions, and I can sit in an ER waiting room and with 99% accuracy I can say who is the meth head, the alcoholic, the person who doesn't look after themselves, the person who does, etc. And you can too, you just don't want to say it because of modern social pressure to "not judge".

Obviously, everyone here knows that all Subaru drivers are bad. My sister drives one, great car, great person. Not everyone with blue hair is bad. We all know this. But we also know that the people who are pooping on, spitting on and vandalizing Cybertrucks are over-represented from certain groups. Pretending otherwise is ignoring truth and doesn't help to solve the problem.

And saying "we are all the same" is a lie. We may not like others mocking the Cybertruck, but I can guarantee you there are no threads on Crosstrek forums about Cybertruck owners pooping on their cars. I would be willing to be a very large amount of money that it's never happened. And you would make that bet as well, despite your desire to not judge people.

There is an obvious problem in our society that has caused a certain segment to become essentially religious zealots in their hatred toward certain things. Saying otherwise is to deny the truth. And we can only work to fix this problem if we are first able to admit that it exist.

And I think it's ok for Cybertruck owners to deal with their frustration over their cars being senselessly vandalized with a bit of humor. It's better than spitting on Subarus.

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