Cybercatch22: Demand vs Delay

[HaulingAss]

Regarding my statement about high prices for it’s important to understand the two pricing structures being proposed. For non-reservation holders the price at auction could be influenced by many factors such as the number of trucks available, the current market conditions, and the willingness of buyers to pay a premium. It's also important to note that high prices at auction for non-reservation holders do not affect reservation holders since they have already secured their place in line and would not be subjected to the price volatility.

Why do you continue to talk about Tesla auctioning Cybertrucks off? There will be no auction. It's not going to happen.

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[HAL GALLUS]

you mean we shouldn’t:

Step 1: start a forum thread that dies because it’s uninteresting

Sept 2: then, go write an online article that cites your own dead forum thread

Step 3: then, start a new forum thread about your online article about your dead thread

Repetitiveness is everything.

 

[HAL GALLUS]

Lets get back to reality. TESLA wants to get the CYBERTRUCK out on the road.
If some reservation holder wants to partake in the unethical practice of scalping
and some idiot is willing to pay through the nose for a CYBERTRUCK, insted of ordering
one ( they have moremoney then I). This CYBERTRUCK will sill be out on the road. TESLA will not care much. TESLA will set a fair price for the CYBERTRUCK, they will not care what other pic-ups are selling for. They will not want to punish all reservation holders because of a few bad apples. The most they may do is:
...allow one CYBERTRUCK per reservation
...or TESLA owners first

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Not if it makes me get my truck later

Exactly!!!

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Lets get back to reality. TESLA wants to get the CYBERTRUCK out on the road.
If some reservation holder wants to partake in the unethical practice of scalping
and some idiot is willing to pay through the nose for a CYBERTRUCK, insted of ordering
one ( they have moremoney then I). This CYBERTRUCK will sill be out on the road. TESLA will not care much. TESLA will set a fair price for the CYBERTRUCK, they will not care what other pic-ups are selling for. They will not want to punish all reservation holders because of a few bad apples. The most they may do is:
...allow one CYBERTRUCK per reservation
...or TESLA owners first

Ok, so that is a different market strategy. Further limit supply, further incentivise parasitic profiteering and alienate new customers.

How does the allocation algorithm work? Do you think a legitimate business that ordered 100 trucks very early will have to wait 3 plus years for the other 99 vehicles?

Multiply that out to everyone that genuinely ordered more than one. That’s hundreds of thousands of very disgruntled people.

Or it’s better just slow the adoption of new customers getting into their first electric vehicle?
Maybe you should post this market strategy as a new thread?

No one has addressed what is being suggested in the market strategy I’m suggesting. Everyone is saying nah scalping won’t be much of an issue because Tesla will cancel or price it thusly.

Clearly the validity of the impetus is debatable but what if I’m right. What are this risks of the market strategy being suggested.

Can anyone interact with that question?

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Why do you continue to talk about Tesla auctioning Cybertrucks off? There will be no auction. It's not going to happen.

This is the whole point of this thread… a hypothetical change to the market strategy specifically for Cybertruck…

Maybe go to the start of the thread so you can understand what we’re trying to discuss.

 

[CyberGus]

If someone handed me a briefcase with $1M for my Cybertruck, I would take it. Short of that, I'd tell them to piss right off

 

[Deleted member 3316]

If someone handed me a briefcase with $1M for my Cybertruck, I would take it. Short of that, I'd tell them to piss right off

Great for you! I know I could not refuse half that offer if it was legally permitted.
I would buy two 2nd hand performance model 3 with the money and convert a Land Rover or Landcruiser to EV. Then pay off my house, and go on a holiday for 12months.

Many people are pragmatic about these things and would happily accept double the price.

 

[HaulingAss]

This is the whole point of this thread… a hypothetical change to the market strategy specifically for Cybertruck…

Maybe go to the start of the thread so you can understand what we’re trying to discuss.

Who is "we"?

Just because you think Tesla should auction Cybertrucks to the highest bidders doesn't mean there is any chance they will actually do that.

Some people think Tesla should make gasoline powered cars too. But they are not repetitively stating that as if it's a realistic possibility. Because we know Tesla will not make gasoline powered cars. Likewise, there's no point in pretending that Tesla might actually auction Cybertrucks to the highest bidders.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Who is "we"?

The people on this thread about a potential market strategy that could keep purchase price low for early reservation holders, maximise revenue from non reservation holders and minimise the incentive for people to engage in parasitic profiteering.

Just because you think Tesla should auction Cybertrucks to the highest bidders doesn't mean there is any chance they will actually do that.

If you are not here for a discussion, why are you here?

What is the point of your shitposting?

 

[HaulingAss]

The people on this thread about a potential market strategy that could keep purchase price low for early reservation holders, maximise revenue from non reservation holders and minimise the incentive for people to engage in parasitic profiteering.



If you are not here for a discussion, why are you here?

What is the point of your shitposting?

I'm not understanding who "we" or "the people" refer to. It looks like you are the outlier.

Can we have a show of hands of anyone who thinks Tesla might auction Cybertrucks off to the highest bidders, letting them jump in front of the reservation que?

 

[Deleted member 3316]

I'm not understanding who "we" or "the people" refer to. It looks like you are the outlier.

Can we have a show of hands of anyone who thinks Tesla might auction Cybertrucks off to the highest bidders, letting them jump in front of the reservation que?

Well done champ, you’ve demonstrated you can’t read or understand nuance or even spell…

People are going to jump the “queue”.

It’s just with Teslas current market strategy you can’t see it because it’s hidden behind people scalping their reservation accounts or flipping after purchase.

Who do you think the people with late reservations or no reservation would prefer to by from; some random off the internet or direct from Tesla?

If articulated well, intelligent people will understand that this acknowledgment of the realities of capitalism is not queue jumping, it’s an auction.

Thanks for trying to interact but it doesn’t seem like you’re genuinely looking for a discussion.

 

[HaulingAss]

It looks like you are the only one who thinks it's a realistic possibility that Tesla will let those with more money jump the reservation line by auctioning off a certain percentage of early production to those willing to pay the most. At least I didn't see anyone who thinks this is a realistic possibility raising their hands.

Tesla doesn't support the idea that those with the most money should be served first either, that's why they have a reservation system and, more importantly, it's why they have a clause in the purchase/sale agreement that requires all buyers to agree they are buying the vehicle for their own use, not to resell for a profit. It's also why Tesla has, on multiple occasions, refused to sell certain customers additional vehicles when it was determined they were in violation of that clause. Customers who beak the agreement are blacklisted from further purchases.

It's unreasonable to think Tesla could stop even small-scale, one-time scalping, but they certainly don't want to feed that beast by providing a steady stream of vehicles to people with a track record of doing exactly that.

I like having intelligent discussions, but with all your insulting and demeaning language, I don't consider this an intelligent discussion. I visited New Zealand and found the locals to be charming and polite. I'm hoping an Aussie can assure me that Austrailia is just as friendly and that your behavior and language is not what I can expect should I chose to visit Australia this winter. Your abrasiveness seems out of place on a normally polite and friendly enthusiast's forum.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

It looks like you are the only one who thinks it's a realistic possibility that Tesla will let those with more money jump the reservation line by auctioning off a certain percentage of early production to those willing to pay the most.

Once again you have mischaracterised the suggestion of a new market strategy by looking at only one aspect of it.

I think it’s unlikely for Tesla to take up my suggestion, but it’s clear commenters are only concerned about a misguided sense of fairness that does not hold up to scrutiny.

Whether or not Tesla take it up is not the point of this discussion it’s about the merits, to which people have only brought up PR damage because they are looking at only one aspect rather than the whole.

At least I didn't see anyone who thinks this is a realistic possibility raising their hand

Because you asked a dishonest question in attempt to shut down the conversation.
No one responded.
Only Crissa gave a like which says she either agreed with your sarcastic question or that Tesla would do this once again you have mischaracterised the suggestion

I like having intelligent discussions, but with all your insulting and demeaning language, I don't consider this an intelligent discussion.

I appreciate the feedback but it just seems people here can give it but not take it.

I’m merely mirroring the language and insults foisted at me. If that is the way people like to attempt discussion I will reciprocate, not particularly effective but it appears I’m better at it.

As you can see I am doing the same in this post. In future if you don’t want me to include ad hominem in my arguments don’t bring it to start with.
I had this same conversation with Crissa some time ago and it appears she has forgotten it.

 

[HaulingAss]

Once again you have mischaracterised the suggestion of a new market strategy by looking at only one aspect of it.

I think it’s unlikely for Tesla to take up my suggestion, but it’s clear commenters are only concerned about a misguided sense of fairness that does not hold up to scrutiny.

Whether or not Tesla take it up is not the point of this discussion it’s about the merits, to which people have only brought up PR damage because they are looking at only one aspect rather than the whole.



Because you asked a dishonest question in attempt to shut down the conversation.
No one responded.
Only Crissa gave a like which says she either agreed with your sarcastic question or that Tesla would do this once again you have mischaracterised the suggestion


I appreciate the feedback but it just seems people here can give it but not take it.

I’m merely mirroring the language and insults foisted at me. If that is the way people like to attempt discussion I will reciprocate, not particularly effective but it appears I’m better at it.

As you can see I am doing the same in this post. In future if you don’t want me to include ad hominem in my arguments don’t bring it to start with.
I had this same conversation with Crissa some time ago and it appears she has forgotten it.

OK, whatever you say.

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