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Rivian's will be out this year before CT. We should see some towing efficiency numbers from those vehicles and we will get a good early numbers on how much range is reduced for a vehicle that can actually tow a decent load. I expect about 40 to 50% reduction in range when doing moderate towing on somewhat flat terrain. If you are towing heavy loads all uphill, then a drastic reduction in range over what the range is for the CT when it is going uphill with no load (already reduced for a CT unladen due to elevation change).
 

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I don't know if it's so much range, but more lack of pull through superchargers that will be the limiting factor. Even if range is cut in half, that's still 150 or 250 miles, or at least 2 hours of driving between stops. Stopping to charge won't be the annoying part, it'll be unhooking your trailer everytime!

And yes I know chargers are dynamic and always changing. But highly doubt in 2 or 3 years there will be 100% V3 pull through supercharger network.

If you're concerned about towing, be concerned about this, not range.
Something a lot of folks aren't considering about supercharging is you only super charge to 90% capacity after which the charging rate has to slow down way. Then consider you probably won't be able to time depletion at 10 miles remaining. Then consider if you have to go out of your way at all to supercharge. Say you have a 7000 lb toy hauler with a Dual CT. You might get 150 miles on your charge from home, but only 120 effective miles on subsequent charges or less if you are getting remote. Then on top of all this you will likely have to decouple your trailer to charge. Some people might push the limits due to the hassle. Talk about range anxiety.

My annual long haul vacation is 750 miles each way. I won't be towing anything bulky and or heavy, but it will still be a pain in the butt.
 

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Something a lot of folks aren't considering about supercharging is you only super charge to 90% capacity after which the charging rate has to slow down way. Then consider you probably won't be able to time depletion at 10 miles remaining. Then consider if you have to go out of your way at all to supercharge. Say you have a 7000 lb toy hauler with a Dual CT. You might get 150 miles on your charge from home, but only 120 effective miles on subsequent charges or less if you are getting remote. Then on top of all this you will likely have to decouple your trailer to charge. Some people might push the limits due to the hassle. Talk about range anxiety.

My annual long haul vacation is 750 miles each way. I won't be towing anything bulky and or heavy, but it will still be a pain in the butt.
If this is a once in a year trip, you might consider renting an ICE vehicle for the trip till even better EV solutions appear. A single 1500 mile trip would only be a small percentage of most people’s annual mileage so driving EV the rest of the time would still be advantageous.
 

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Something a lot of folks aren't considering about supercharging is you only super charge to 90% capacity after which the charging rate has to slow down way. Then consider you probably won't be able to time depletion at 10 miles remaining. Then consider if you have to go out of your way at all to supercharge. Say you have a 7000 lb toy hauler with a Dual CT. You might get 150 miles on your charge from home, but only 120 effective miles on subsequent charges or less if you are getting remote. Then on top of all this you will likely have to decouple your trailer to charge. Some people might push the limits due to the hassle. Talk about range anxiety.

My annual long haul vacation is 750 miles each way. I won't be towing anything bulky and or heavy, but it will still be a pain in the butt.
This is what I was thinking about when it came to charge times. If true, much faster than current tech.
https://insideevs.com/news/448893/tesla-model-3-4680-charging-power-size/

V3 Charger Map. If you live in Midwest it's pretty sparse.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1i6fqIFjgf7Hl6e0Oo2HdiLbscpaXYaK3
 
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If this is a once in a year trip, you might consider renting an ICE vehicle for the trip till even better EV solutions appear. A single 1500 mile trip would only be a small percentage of most people’s annual mileage so driving EV the rest of the time would still be advantageous.
On a similar vein I have an 18 yr old F150 with high end trim, low miles and if I flogged it I might get $6k. Its not worth selling as it is unmarked, no rust, lived in a garage & been properly serviced. I fortunately have lots of garage space so I should just keep it to fill in any gaps the CT3 may have. What appeals to me most about the CT3 is that it kicks ass.
 

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Here is a petition to get Buc-ee's to add EV chargers.
https://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/580/808/461/
I have sent more than a few hints via the company website, no reply. All the while their competitors along the Interstate corridor have added Super Chargers. (Busy Bee's) Not sure if they are listening or care. The one near my house is ALWAYS a mad house getting in and out but it's the cheapest place to get gas so I tough it out every two weeks. Looking forward to skipping the trip to Buc-ee's and charging at home.
 

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I don't know if it's so much range, but more lack of pull through superchargers that will be the limiting factor. Even if range is cut in half, that's still 150 or 250 miles, or at least 2 hours of driving between stops. Stopping to charge won't be the annoying part, it'll be unhooking your trailer everytime!

And yes I know chargers are dynamic and always changing. But highly doubt in 2 or 3 years there will be 100% V3 pull through supercharger network.

If you're concerned about towing, be concerned about this, not range.
And the aggravating thing about it the pull-thru Super Chargers are already in use in Norway and working great, WHY have we not seen them here in the states?????? I am pissed.
 

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And the aggravating thing about it the pull-thru Super Chargers are already in use in Norway and working great, WHY have we not seen them here in the states?????? I am pissed.
They have them behind the factory at Fremont. Check out 3:38 on this video.
 

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I have sent more than a few hints via the company website, no reply. All the while their competitors along the Interstate corridor have added Super Chargers. (Busy Bee's) Not sure if they are listening or care. The one near my house is ALWAYS a mad house getting in and out but it's the cheapest place to get gas so I tough it out every two weeks. Looking forward to skipping the trip to Buc-ee's and charging at home.
Guarantee Buc-ee's is "looking at" adding EV chargers. But it seems management have chosen to mull it over quietly without any response publicly.

They know EV's are the future but may wait to see how things pan out in near future as far as what kind of EV chargers to offer before making a commitment.

Also once they get a growing number of RVers pulling travel trailers(again, Buc-ee's is a favorite with RVers, I belong to a couple of Texas RV FB groups and they are always posting pics off their RV's at Buc-ee's) and asking about why they don't have any EV chargers it will get their attention.

I just can't see the world's largest convenience store/gasoline and diesel fuel station chain NOT having EV charging at some point. It's just a matter of WHEN!


For those that have never been to a Buc-ee's or never heard of them a BIG, BIG draw to their business is the CLEAN RESTROOMS! They are cleaned several times a day!

For those who have traveled much and experienced the loathsome restroom conditions at many rest stops, Travel centers, Truck Stops etc., you will want to have a Buc-ee's in your travel itinerary, promise you that!
 
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Guarantee Buc-ee's is "looking at" adding EV chargers. But it seems management have chosen to mull it over quietly without any response publicly.

They know EV's are the future but may wait to see how things pan out in near future as far as what kind of EV chargers to offer before making a commitment.

Also once they get a growing number of RVers pulling travel trailers(again, Buc-ee's is a favorite with RVers, I belong to a couple of Texas RV FB groups and they are always posting pics off their RV's at Buc-ee's) and asking about why they don't have any EV chargers it will get their attention.

I just can't see the world's largest convenience store/gasoline and diesel fuel station chain NOT having EV charging at some point. It's just a matter of WHEN!


For those that have never been to a Buc-ee's or never heard of them a BIG, BIG draw to their business is the CLEAN RESTROOMS! They are cleaned several times a day!

For those who have traveled much and experienced the loathsome restroom conditions at many rest stops, Travel centers, Truck Stops etc., you will want to have a Buc-ee's in your travel itinerary, promise you that!
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16 Reasons Why Buc-ee’s Puts Every Other Gas Station To Shame
Buc-ee's is amazing and all other gas stations are inferior.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexzakon/buc-ees-beavers
 
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A 100 to 120 mile range whilst towing is for me a deal breaker. NBGAA (no bloody good at all)
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The EV industry needs to band together to solve this. Someone should make a swappable battery for RVs and trailers. These could be leased/swapped at fuel stations. They will be heavy so there will need to be some sort of crane or forklift at the minimum. Since voltage requirements are different
If this is a once in a year trip, you might consider renting an ICE vehicle for the trip till even better EV solutions appear. A single 1500 mile trip would only be a small percentage of most people’s annual mileage so driving EV the rest of the time would still be advantageous.

$900 a week x 10 years for a ice rental. That's almost half way to a CT3.

The other way I look at it is I would have to be really annoyed at charging for 200 hours @ $100 per hour to justify the CT3. 1500 miles /150 is 10 charge stops x 10 years is also half way. Dang it, I really don't want to spend $70k, but I probably will.

Even if you have an ICE back up it has expenses. Insurance, registration, maintenance. For many of us space constraints.
 

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This is what I was thinking about when it came to charge times. If true, much faster than current tech.
https://insideevs.com/news/448893/tesla-model-3-4680-charging-power-size/

V3 Charger Map. If you live in Midwest it's pretty sparse.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1i6fqIFjgf7Hl6e0Oo2HdiLbscpaXYaK3
Thanks - Excellent article. So charging won't take an hour. There is still the huge slow down at 80% SOC. That is assuming the 275 Kw/hr type. Should we call it 30 minutes 10-90% for the CT2 and 45 for the CT3

Currently there are none on my route from Kaysville UT to Priest Lake Idaho. That is kind of depressing, but in 2 years I am sure there will be several. Several 150 Kw/per hour options now
 

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Guarantee Buc-ee's is "looking at" adding EV chargers. But it seems management have chosen to mull it over quietly without any response publicly.

They know EV's are the future but may wait to see how things pan out in near future as far as what kind of EV chargers to offer before making a commitment.

Also once they get a growing number of RVers pulling travel trailers(again, Buc-ee's is a favorite with RVers, I belong to a couple of Texas RV FB groups and they are always posting pics off their RV's at Buc-ee's) and asking about why they don't have any EV chargers it will get their attention.

I just can't see the world's largest convenience store/gasoline and diesel fuel station chain NOT having EV charging at some point. It's just a matter of WHEN!


For those that have never been to a Buc-ee's or never heard of them a BIG, BIG draw to their business is the CLEAN RESTROOMS! They are cleaned several times a day!

For those who have traveled much and experienced the loathsome restroom conditions at many rest stops, Travel centers, Truck Stops etc., you will want to have a Buc-ee's in your travel itinerary, promise you that!
New business plan. Buy up cheap land directly next to a ton of Buc-ees. Put in reliable super chargers. Let the people charging walk over to Buc-ees for restroom access.
 

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If this is a once in a year trip, you might consider renting an ICE vehicle for the trip till even better EV solutions appear. A single 1500 mile trip would only be a small percentage of most people’s annual mileage so driving EV the rest of the time would still be advantageous.

$900 a week x 10 years for a ice rental. That's almost half way to a CT3.
You are getting a CT for $9000?

$900 a week for a single trip a year is only $900. Over 10 years you are still only at $9000. And because it’s a rental, you have no maintenance, registration, or insurance to deal with.
 

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